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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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per person ops are applying her - found

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and is now in the possession of the on a

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rig changed the game gauge I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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church on the GameChanger radio network

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and a GRA

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I need your help if you're doing

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you listening to

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with Jimmy judge only game changing Ned

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all right welcome fade to black the

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spoke radio for the masses

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today's Tuesday October 17 two hundred

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and ninety days into the new year just

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75 days left that's right and we are

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live from a bunker somewhere in downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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planets I'm your host Jimmy Church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing

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fantastic day here it's going to be a

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fantastic night get ready because we

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have very special guest with us tonight

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live from Cairo Egypt Josh gates of

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expedition unknown he's here to talk

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about the latest four episodes of

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expedition unknown called hunt for

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extraterrestrials Yemen tomorrow night

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I'm alia Ian Harris is here to give us

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her practical guide to synchronicity

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that's tomorrow night really looking

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forward to that by the way Thursday

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night is another Fator night with Jon

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Rappoport and is no more fake newsroom

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live the Colin numbers if we get around

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to it tonight are three to three a two

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the thing is with josh josh does it all

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and now that he is officially officially

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on the hunt for extraterrestrials now we

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have you know he's always out there

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doing you know pirate treasure or or

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ghosts or you know you know scuba diving

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cairo egypt now

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tonight I can go anywhere with Josh and

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show tonight I said dude man you know I

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extraterrestrials but I got a lot of

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other stuff at ease man let's do it

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let's do it he is totally excited to be

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here so we'll get to Josh here in just a

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few short minutes but very excited to

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have you know that kind of opened into

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everywhere I I'm not focused on one

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thing you know just a paranormal or life

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know et lost history Egypt here you know

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that's what Josh does an expedition

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everything is interactive and live right

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it think about this okay I'm doing a

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know this is you know I'm here in the

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catches your eye and you look it catches

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your eye it's just really cool all right

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very simple okay Jimmy at Jimmy Church

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comments during the show you can hit me

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up right there also I want to mention

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important I had said on the show when

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all of these hurricanes were going down

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we do have an earthquake here every day

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oh great protector of mine what are you

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gonna do with your family have you got

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plans and and I just had my eyes open

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all night I just couldn't sleep thinking

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about it so we went out the next day and

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show and that's when our relationship

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with new mana started and I am so happy

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dinner last night too as a snack before

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Daniel on the show I think he's gonna be

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with us on Monday by the way and I want

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the recipes coming from it's really

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okay now also unity workshops I

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mentioned yesterday that they are

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series of podcast and they are calling

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right now on researchers and

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experiencers for their series on portals

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portals how cool is that so if you want

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to join this product project either as a

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production help maybe a producer a

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writer contact them it's very simple

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they have now created a website that's

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called the unity project dot org

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Rita's gonna pop up the links right now

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on Twitter I'll retweet it it's the

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unity project org you can also contact

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John John at modern masters or contact

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Rita directly Rita at Jimmy Church radio

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calm very exciting and getting this

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community together and staying united on

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one front is what we do okay all right

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oh don't forget though by the way to

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subscribe to our podcast and to do that

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if you have not visited the website

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lately go and check it out fully updated

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just cruise through the website we've

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can we change that I'm the guy that that

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that makes everybody angry but I've got

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to say I am very proud I today I haven't

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take my eyes off of it so I just have to

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thank Rita for her amazing work and an

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artwork work and artwork and of course

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drew who absolutely works 24 hours a day

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always picks up the phone and you know

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see this is the thing

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Drew's phone lights up right and he sees

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my name there you know this is work you

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know Drew's gonna hear me say dude I

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need this change this changed this

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change I need it all done now text me

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when it's done

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and that's my phone call and I feel bad

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about that but now I just have to think

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drew and redone and you know and you

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just go and everything is working and

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and all of the shops are work it's just

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it's just wonderful so go if you haven't

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checked it out lately go over to the

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this planet that doesn't wish they could

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rap like Eminem there I said it I said

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it I said it maybe the Beastie Boys too

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but I just said it I know what I'm

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talking about

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happy birthday I'm and I'm 45 years old

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also one of the greats today that that

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help this nation get get to where we are

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right now

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Mike judge today is 55 years old

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also today Suzanne Somers today is 71

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the ThighMaster remember that our dead

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guys birthday today Evel Knievel 1938 to

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2007 I cannot believe he's gone died at

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the age of 69 and think about it yeah

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there was Caesar's Palace great over the

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fountains right that was great the LA

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Coliseum right 50 cars or whatever that

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was Wembley remember when bleed down the

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ramp that was crazy that was live on ABC

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Sports I will never forget the Wembley

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jump butt and Snake River Canyon right

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pay-per-view back dead Snake River

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Canyon but now I saw him jump in 1971 at

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the Chicago Convention Center he jumped

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a bunch of Greyhound buses as many as

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they could pack in there wasn't that

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many like eight or ten or something he

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didn't do like 30 or 15 or something but

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anyway I saw him jump and that was the

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coolest jump that's the the one that I

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saw my hands on the chain-link fence I'm

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like eight years old

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seven years old just looking through

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this chain-link fence man him about that

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tall yeah it was pretty cool man I saw

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him come down I didn't see him jump

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I saw him land right in front of me

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really cool seriously it was awesome

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in 1973 by the way the ideal toy company

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released the Evel Knievel stunt cycle

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remember that remember the wind-up watch

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watch Twitter light up right now every

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male right now that was alive in the 70s

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is going to post a picture of the Evel

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Knievel stunt cycle because we all had

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one and trust me when that was released

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the life changed for every boy under 10

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on planet Earth we all had one look good

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in the commercials too anyway you know

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what I'm talking about

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he died in Clearwater Florida and

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November 30th 2007 at the age of 69 all

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right on this day in history

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OTB 1989 earthquake rocks San Francisco

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California at 5:04 p.m. it lasted for

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just 15 seconds the quake measured 7.1

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on the Richter scale and was witnessed

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live on TV because millions were

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watching the third game of the World

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Series between the San Francisco Giants

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and the Oakland Athletics that was going

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on at Candlestick Park in San Francisco

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and I watched it live I remember when

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the camera started wiggling and the

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announcer said you know I think we're

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having an earthquake and you know Wow

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right and there you go that was an

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unbelievable event in San Francisco

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worst earthquake that they had there

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since 1906 Vader fact now this is a you

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know I bet I didn't get one tweet of the

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Evel Knievel stunt cycle you guys are

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talking about I didn't get I want to see

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a picture of the Evel Knievel stunt

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cycle okay all right there it is thank

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you you guys are good I guess that's the

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delay I'll go ahead and retweet that Bob

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nice everybody says I had it I had it I

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know everybody did fader fact are you

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ready New York City is actually Rainier

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than London and that is a fader fact all

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right man look at you guys with the Evel

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Knievel stuff now now it's flying now

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it's flying okay where am I at tonight

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very special guest Josh gates is here

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and very bizarre my messenger just

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stopped working yeah there you go

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tonight Josh gates expedition unknown

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we're gonna talk about his the latest

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four episodes of expedition unknown are

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called hunt for extraterrestrials and

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tonight josh is live from Cairo Egypt

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and we're gonna talk about those four

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episodes what he has found out of course

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but everything else when it comes to not

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only you have to think about this - not

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only expedition unknown but you have

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destination you have you remember when

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he did ghost hunters live you remember

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that ghost hunters live I'm gonna ask

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Josh about this ghost hunters live seven

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hours show I believe up until that time

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it had like 1.7 or 2 million something

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like that viewers was the highest-rated

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show in sci-fi history up until that

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time I don't know maybe it still is up

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to this point but pretty much solidified

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Josh to where he is today that was

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almost 10 years ago so but it's the hunt

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for extra extraterrestrials where he is

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dipping his toe now that I've really

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gonna find interesting in what he is

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doing in Cairo as we speak all right now

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now speaking about Cairo and that's what

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I turn to River moon coffee and take my

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sip man I am just I have no shame in my

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when my sponsors are this good there is

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zero shame in my game

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I know that anybody that gets a river

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moon coffee you know gets the fade to

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black blend for the first time they

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grind those beans and they make that

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first pot and the smell right and they

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know at that moment it's something

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special but then everybody takes that

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first step and this is I I know what

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pops in everybody's mind at that point

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this is they're going search was right

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this is the best coffee in the world

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that I've ever had that I ever will have

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I'm in love with it so much at this

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moment I've got to take a picture of

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this cup of coffee and texted to Jimmy

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it happens every single time so funny

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all right

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one of the things that I research every

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day every day I'm trying to find

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something new I'm trying to go there is

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our loss history and there's no way

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really to go in those directions without

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going through Iraq Sumer Mesopotamia or

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Egypt right and growing up where you had

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certain movies out there about you know

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yeah maybe Cleopatra right and you got a

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little taste of it

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but that wasn't you have to think about

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this so when you are watching as a kid a

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movie like Cleopatra certainly it looks

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old

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it looks cool you have all of those

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things you know the sculptures the

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columns the gold the costumes the

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furniture that where she lived the boats

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the the big battle at the end of the

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movie all of that right when she comes

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into Rome for the first time and she's

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on that day with that with the dudes

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with the drums and and but if you think

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about that for a second that moment

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at that moment Egypt was already over

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3,000 years old officially at that

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moment Cleopatra is closer to us today

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then she was with Egypt that's how old

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Egypt is so when you go and you start to

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head in those directions you look at the

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age of Rome it's pretty old right you

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look at Athens and Greece pretty old you

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can look at Yerevan Armenia older than

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the both of them right but those are not

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necessarily the directions that you go

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when you've seen those movies on you

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know a Greece and you've seen that the

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old Roman movies okay great great that's

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not where you go you've got to go

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through either Sumer or Mesopotamia Iraq

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or Egypt and once you go back to a

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certain point as far as you can go where

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history is written down and marked you

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stop allegedly at 3000 BC now it didn't

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start at 3,000 BC that's impossible but

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what you do find when you go back to

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that point and this is what is most

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interesting here and this is where Rita

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and I have been spending all of our

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research right now and it's tough it's

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tough is to go beyond 3,000 BC the what

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they say officially 3000 BC and go

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beyond that what actually happened and

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when you go beyond 3000 BC both with

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Sumer and Egypt they are talking about

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tens of thousands if not hundreds of

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thousands of years of history

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that is one of the most fascinating

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things that one can think about and if

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you go based on what the Egyptians have

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said about their own ancient history

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predating 3000 BC and where they came

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from or the Sumerians and their culture

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and what they write about we we know ok

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it goes back hundreds of thousands of

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years one thing is for sure at 3000 BC

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when both of these countries and

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cultures started they started up right

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correct

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this needs to be understood by everybody

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they had it all going on from the word

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go and you look at Sumer at 3000 BC and

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if you think about it all of everything

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was already there they didn't have to

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wait around for things they'd have to

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wait around for education or roads or

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schools or religions or government or

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universities agriculture the wheel

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writing books libraries doctors medicine

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recipes bookkeeping accounting numbers a

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system it was already done they didn't

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they didn't move forward and invent it

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and it was the same thing over in Egypt

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and that's the bizarre thing here for me

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so how do you go beyond 3,000 BC in our

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travels on fade to black and how we are

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going to figure out what is going on

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back then pushing the envelope getting

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further back getting past or 3,000 BC

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there are answers out there there are

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answers there's no way that we can just

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accept that one day Stone Age man walks

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out of the desert either in Sumer or in

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Egypt knowing everything it doesn't work

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that way

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and the reason why I'm talking about it

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right now I posted over on Facebook you

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can go and look at it

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of five thousand-year-old five

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thousand-year-old toy chariot wait a

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minute

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it's got four wheels take a look at it

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when you go and look at that and it's a

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allegedly it's a toy they found a tomb

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full of toys it's it's a toy it could be

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a model of a car that was bigger it's

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got four wheels go and look at that

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we're talking about Stone Age man

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building toy cars for their children it

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upsets everything with history it

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doesn't work that way and what we are

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being told and what they are finding and

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we are going to continue to find more

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that history has been lying to us and it

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is wrong I want somebody to post that

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picture that we have up on our my

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personal Facebook page take a look at

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that it's unbelievable and with that I'm

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gonna get out of here because I've got

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Josh gates chomping at the bit to get in

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here and he is absolutely 100% live from

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Cairo Egypt

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wonder what hotel he's staying at you

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know what I mean I don't think it's

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downtrodden no because we got a pretty

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good connection today

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this is fade to black our meals to be

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Church tonight Josh gates expedition

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unknown hunt for extraterrestrials I'm

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your host Jimmy Church follow me on

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twitter @jj Church radio email is Jimmy

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at Jimmy Church radio.com this is truly

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the spoke radio for the masses on the

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GameChanger network and kgr a the planet

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy's George

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radio.com combats and we're listening

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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assuming Church you can follow me on

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twitter @jj Church radio simple enough

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and you can follow Joshua Joshua gates

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on Twitter it's all up there write down

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the feed alright let's get settled here

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Josh gates is the host and executive

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producer of the new Travel Channel

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series expedition unknown the show takes

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viewers around the world one off the map

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were thrilling investigation into

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history's most iconic legends for five

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years though Josh also helmed and

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co-executive produced a hit sci-fi

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channel series Destination Truth and

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each week he and his team set out to

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investigate all of those age-old

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mysteries and recent cryptozoological

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sightings and paranormal reports and the

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series was groundbreaking and I tried

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not to miss an episode and I binge

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frequently he also was the host of ghost

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hunters live and is the author of

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memoirs of a monster hunter now the

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thing is and I'm gonna ask Josh about

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this in just a second I believe ghost

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hunters live and that special broadcast

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was the biggest the largest viewed show

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on sci-fi up to that point with like a

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million and a half to two million

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viewers and certainly that would

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catapult anybody to the top of what they

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do tonight we're gonna talk about his

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latest of four episodes of expedition

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unknown called the hunt for

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extraterrestrials and of course his

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website and the links are up over a two

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meter radio calm Joshua

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gates dot-com and I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black the one and only Josh gates live

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from Cairo Joseph good morning good

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morning how are you and it's seriously

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good morning for you see you know I'm on

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it's definitely good morning for me it's

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about it's about 4:30 a.m. here so

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bright and early man man I well I hope

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the Egyptian coffee is all that they say

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it is it's it's literally in my hand as

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we speak I'm about to mainline it

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directly into my veins of

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before we get started Josh you get the

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first time guest disclaimer so let's get

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that out of the way which is this it's

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just you and I sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends where

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the conversation starts it starts where

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it ends it ends but we're going to end

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as friends you ready I like it yes I am

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let's do it I want to actually I want to

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start here we're gonna go backwards in

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just a second and we'll do I'll throw

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you a couple of softballs about your

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childhood but I actually want to start

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here

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did you what you've had the opportunity

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now to look back at you know 10 plus

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years of doing what you do I want you to

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have you wrapped your head around the

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explanation of the success oh no that's

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absolutely not no it's it's been a it's

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been a I had a very lucky ride I think

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in many ways you know I started in this

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business really as a guy who loved to

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travel I think more than anything else

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and who had a real curiosity for seeing

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the world and you know I'm not unique in

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that lots of people love to travel and

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see the world and so the fact that I've

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had a lot of success and been able to to

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do that for a living still completely

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blows my mind so you're still in the

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pinch me I'm dreaming mode yeah I mean

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you know look the expedition unknown

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Destination Truth certainly both those

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shows are and were a lot of work you

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know I mean they're hard hard shows in a

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lot of ways and and so you know it's

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it's it's been a challenging ride I mean

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going around the world some of the

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places that we go and making me shows is

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certainly hard work but yeah just just

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the the fact that I get to get up every

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day and and you know go to these really

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interesting places investigate these

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mysteries and these legends I mean it's

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it's it is it's a dream come true yeah

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you know and it's hard to stay grounded

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sometimes I'll say this you know my

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little you know shows that I do with

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history and stuff like that we were out

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in Manhattan shooting last saw last fall

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my wife and I and we're walking around

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Manhattan and we're just thinking you

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know

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the greatest city in the world right and

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and we're getting paid we're shooting a

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TV show that I'm of the host of and I'm

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thinking to myself life doesn't get any

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00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:44,680
better than this right and I hope they

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don't find out that I'm not worthy

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enough right so let's write let's ride

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this thing out but surely you appreciate

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that don't you you appreciate where

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you're at I really do you know I mean

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when you I meet people every day who say

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man I wish I could travel I wish I could

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could go somewhere I haven't had the

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opportunity to do that so I try to take

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every single day and no matter how

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difficult the shoot is how frustrating

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the logistics are I try to just you know

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take a deep breath and go you know look

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look where I am right now I mean I mean

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literally I'm in Egypt right now well

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this is one of the most incredible

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places in the world so no matter how how

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sweltering the heat is you know how many

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mosquitoes are biting in the jungle

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wherever I am I always try to just say

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god this is cool remember this is cool

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now tell me and you can lie if you want

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it's okay because we don't know but tell

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me you can look out your window at at

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the Giza Plateau well I actually I may

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mislead you a little bit I was in Cairo

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a few days ago I'm actually now at lux

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all year and I saw I mean if I yeah so

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I'm a little further south but if I look

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out the window right now the Sun isn't

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quite up yet but I am looking out onto

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the River Nile and beyond that I can see

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the town big rise of the valley of the

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kings and stuff on the other side and so

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it is it's pretty magical yeah

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absolutely

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now there's one there's one aspect I do

753
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want to touch upon before we move

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forward which is this there is a

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seriously cool comedy element in what

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00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:26,500
you do now you don't take yourself that

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serious and at the moment of something

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you do have your your brevity you have

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your your funny moments is that is that

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intentional did you grow up that way

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00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:40,420
were you always able to you know pop off

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with the one-liner or the crazy face

763
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,690
yeah I mean kind of

764
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,700
I was kind of a class clown kid you know

765
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:49,380
but I think for me in terms of the show

766
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it's like when you take a trip anywhere

767
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you know half the time it all goes wrong

768
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uranium like any any Lucien you take any

769
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,700
adventure you take at some point it all

770
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comes off the rails you know and the

771
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:07,710
problem for me with so much adventure TV

772
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:09,570
and travel TV is that it's also glossy

773
00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:11,790
and it's also kind of perfect and I

774
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:14,100
really from the very beginning we were

775
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,130
making Destination Truth I really wanted

776
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:19,680
to kind of show you know warts and all

777
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,980
what was going on out there so if we had

778
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,320
a flat tire if somebody got sick if

779
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:27,720
things didn't go our way I mean that's

780
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:29,310
when Travel gets interesting right I

781
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:30,900
mean that's that's when stuff gets fun

782
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:34,380
and so for me a lot of it is about just

783
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:37,800
kind of not sanitizing at all so that it

784
00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:40,500
just seems you know kind of perfect and

785
00:38:47,570 --> 00:38:45,230
just showing that yeah you know oh the

786
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:47,580
think crazy when you're when you're

787
00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:49,050
trying to travel the world but also just

788
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to show the humor between people you

789
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,350
know meeting you know whoever we meet

790
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:55,200
around the world we try to show having

791
00:38:59,540 --> 00:38:58,020
fun with folks as much as we do you know

792
00:39:02,030 --> 00:38:59,550
being serious with them so I think I

793
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:02,040
think for me that is part of the success

794
00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:03,930
of both Expedition unknown and

795
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:06,030
Destination Truth is that the show has a

796
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:07,560
sense of humor it doesn't take itself

797
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:10,650
too seriously and it tries to stay real

798
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,230
in a sense so what are you doing now

799
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:16,260
what can you tell us about what you're

800
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:19,590
doing right now in Egypt right now I'm

801
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:21,180
sitting in my underwear drinking coffee

802
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:25,260
in the middle of the night we are here

803
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:29,390
doing a really cool two-part special on

804
00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:32,310
women of Egypt so we want to investigate

805
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:34,860
a number of different famous women from

806
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,140
Egyptian history who there are these

807
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,800
really amazing mysteries surrounding so

808
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:42,240
we're talking about women like Cleopatra

809
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:45,960
women like Nefertiti an amazing Egyptian

810
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:47,820
queen named Tkachev suit who is not a

811
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:49,530
household name and probably should

812
00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:52,710
because she's being cool right and so

813
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:55,020
talking about mystery surrounding

814
00:39:59,180 --> 00:39:56,730
surrounding these women you know

815
00:39:59,599 --> 00:39:59,190
Cleopatra one of the most famous women

816
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,609
of the

817
00:40:04,009 --> 00:40:01,680
world we have no idea where she's buried

818
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:04,019
we have no idea where tomb is so we're

819
00:40:07,699 --> 00:40:05,729
over here working with archaeologists

820
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,709
who are trying to unravel some of the

821
00:40:11,479 --> 00:40:09,839
mysteries of these great great women so

822
00:40:14,269 --> 00:40:11,489
it's a really cool show we're only about

823
00:40:15,469 --> 00:40:14,279
a third of the way through filming it so

824
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:15,479
we're gonna be over here for another few

825
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:19,400
weeks so there's one thing with both

826
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:22,170
destination and expedition that I'm

827
00:40:27,049 --> 00:40:24,209
gonna pat you on the back a little bit

828
00:40:28,729 --> 00:40:27,059
for but I'm not gonna go ahead well I'm

829
00:40:32,269 --> 00:40:28,739
not gonna be that much of a fanboy but

830
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:32,279
you know the problems when you're doing

831
00:40:39,799 --> 00:40:35,670
shows like yours or ours that it's hard

832
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:39,809
to have an ending right yeah if you're

833
00:40:43,219 --> 00:40:40,950
gonna go search for the Ark of the

834
00:40:45,529 --> 00:40:43,229
Covenant you're you know we know how

835
00:40:49,999 --> 00:40:45,539
that show's gonna end or if you know

836
00:40:52,789 --> 00:40:50,009
what I mean but did you try to achieve

837
00:40:55,789 --> 00:40:52,799
closure on your shows you actually try

838
00:40:58,819 --> 00:40:55,799
to get to and sometimes succeed in

839
00:41:02,029 --> 00:40:58,829
having closure and having a real ending

840
00:41:03,769 --> 00:41:02,039
and that's a tough thing to do it is a

841
00:41:06,049 --> 00:41:03,779
hard thing to do you know from the very

842
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,059
beginning way back on Destination Truth

843
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,160
there was an executive at the channel

844
00:41:12,049 --> 00:41:09,599
who I could remember in the early

845
00:41:14,509 --> 00:41:12,059
meetings saying to me you know the

846
00:41:18,259 --> 00:41:14,519
hardest part of this show is gonna be

847
00:41:21,289 --> 00:41:18,269
week after week finding a narrative

848
00:41:23,779 --> 00:41:21,299
bridge home taking viewers around the

849
00:41:26,209 --> 00:41:23,789
world but bringing them home and having

850
00:41:28,099 --> 00:41:26,219
it feel satisfying on some level because

851
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:28,109
so much of that show was about looking

852
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:30,440
for monsters and ghosts and things that

853
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:33,920
you know in in some cases people are

854
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:36,900
misidentifying or it was folklore or

855
00:41:40,339 --> 00:41:38,940
maybe it was a real thing that was

856
00:41:42,229 --> 00:41:40,349
happening but we weren't gonna be able

857
00:41:43,939 --> 00:41:42,239
to throw a net over it in the few days

858
00:41:47,749 --> 00:41:43,949
that we were there you know right and so

859
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,759
for me it was always like we wanted to

860
00:41:52,249 --> 00:41:49,619
go to these places we wanted to do a

861
00:41:55,189 --> 00:41:52,259
real investigation do real work move the

862
00:41:56,989 --> 00:41:55,199
needle you know in in some way but

863
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:56,999
really by the end of it have the viewer

864
00:42:01,789 --> 00:41:59,880
feel like they saw a really interesting

865
00:42:04,999 --> 00:42:01,799
story went to a place they've never been

866
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:05,009
to before and and learned a bit about a

867
00:42:08,809 --> 00:42:06,690
story they didn't know something about

868
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:08,819
and to the extent that we were able to

869
00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:11,400
explain it away or as I said move the

870
00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:13,080
needle do something we wanted to do

871
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:15,320
so we always try to make the shows feel

872
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:18,950
much as feel but actually have them be

873
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:21,150
satisfying on that level that that's one

874
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:22,440
of the things I love about Expedition

875
00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:25,230
unknown is that as much as the subject

876
00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:27,120
material of Destination Truth was often

877
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:29,190
pulpy er you know these like really cool

878
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:31,170
monster stories and stuff some of these

879
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:33,540
archaeological mysteries and legends you

880
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:36,090
know there's real stuff happening here I

881
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,320
mean I was with an archaeologist

882
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:40,020
yesterday and we were digging in the

883
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:42,810
dirt and came across a skeleton human

884
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:45,150
skeleton you know I mean there's real

885
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:47,640
stuff happening here real answers to be

886
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:50,730
found still and so we try to give people

887
00:42:54,110 --> 00:42:52,530
some of those answers but you're right

888
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,120
you know I have people come up to me

889
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,420
sometimes who say I'm a huge fan of the

890
00:43:01,070 --> 00:42:59,280
show how come you never find anything

891
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:01,080
and I always sort of bang my head it you

892
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:02,970
know I was like I want to like sit don't

893
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,190
cry it's like we featured the work of

894
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:07,800
these really badass explorers and

895
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:09,390
archaeologists and these people are

896
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:12,120
finding stuff every day and so yeah you

897
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:13,830
don't always come home with the Ark of

898
00:43:18,110 --> 00:43:15,870
the Covenant in your backpack you know

899
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,120
but but really that that isn't the

900
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:20,040
benchmark it's about are you out here

901
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:22,230
finding interesting stuff moving the

902
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,320
needle and and really telling an

903
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:27,900
interesting story where there is meat on

904
00:43:30,350 --> 00:43:29,310
the bone there is something happening

905
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:30,360
and that's that's really what it's all

906
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,630
about

907
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:33,480
I remember let's go back on the Wayback

908
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:34,710
Machine I don't know if this was

909
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:37,260
destination or like the first episode of

910
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:40,370
expedition but you went down to Panama

911
00:43:46,850 --> 00:43:43,260
to look for these pirate ships in this

912
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,860
Bay right yeah okay yeah I have been

913
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:49,260
that was that forts at San Lorenzo I

914
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,930
used to live down there and I have been

915
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:53,700
at the fort that she went to and looked

916
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,250
down into that Bay and there were rumors

917
00:44:00,200 --> 00:43:58,920
I think that Tigris River was coming out

918
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:00,210
of Panama right there into the bay

919
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:01,950
that's right you know and there were

920
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:04,290
rumors about these pirate ships that

921
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,060
were sunk there it was it was what

922
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:08,400
everybody talked about and from at the

923
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:10,230
top of the bay you could look the waters

924
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:12,570
you know clear and you could see lots of

925
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:15,930
sharks as you found out and a lot of

926
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:18,540
craziness down there but you were

927
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:21,420
relentless you know going back in back

928
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:22,050
down

929
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:26,010
you are not some armchair guy with stock

930
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:26,670
video

931
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:29,940
footage right you are getting wet yeah I

932
00:44:35,299 --> 00:44:33,150
mean we really do try to get into it in

933
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,309
that case it was this really awesome

934
00:44:39,319 --> 00:44:38,160
story about Captain Morgan right and you

935
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,329
know everybody knows

936
00:44:43,579 --> 00:44:41,640
Captain Morgan from from the rum right

937
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:43,589
they know him from the ad campaigns in

938
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:45,420
the booze bottle but you know a lot of

939
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:47,369
people don't know that Morgan was a real

940
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,710
guy he was this really fascinating

941
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,319
character and he was uh he was a pretty

942
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:54,960
nasty pirate in a lot of ways and his

943
00:44:59,359 --> 00:44:58,079
flagship he crashed onto a reef just

944
00:45:01,160 --> 00:44:59,369
right where you're talking about right

945
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:01,170
off the chakras River there in in Panama

946
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:04,260
right and his flagship which is a boat

947
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:05,910
called the satisfaction has never been

948
00:45:08,589 --> 00:45:06,390
found

949
00:45:10,789 --> 00:45:08,599
and we worked with this really

950
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,799
interesting team of archaeologists and

951
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,839
amazing guy named Fritz Hanselman who

952
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:14,640
have been down there trying to find his

953
00:45:21,859 --> 00:45:18,720
ship and in the process we came with

954
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:21,869
with Professor Hanselman we we came

955
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,510
across this extraordinary shipwreck that

956
00:45:28,579 --> 00:45:26,640
we had hoped was Morgan's it turned out

957
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,589
not to be but it was no less interesting

958
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:31,380
this amazing wreck filled with literally

959
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:32,819
filled with treasure chests I mean

960
00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:34,829
filled with these wooden chests that are

961
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,750
just filled with artifacts from hundreds

962
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:38,400
of years ago from around Morgan's time

963
00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:40,650
so you know his boat is still out there

964
00:45:45,259 --> 00:45:42,059
this is one of those like real-life

965
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,269
mysteries where you know the boat of one

966
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,160
of the most famous pirates of all time

967
00:45:52,009 --> 00:45:49,980
is sitting right off the coast in Panama

968
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,019
just waiting to be found it's incredible

969
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:54,660
stuff yeah and tons of boats are down

970
00:45:58,759 --> 00:45:56,579
there that was the only way to get from

971
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,769
you know the Pacific to the Atlantic or

972
00:46:04,569 --> 00:46:01,680
vice versa a lot of times it would drag

973
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:04,579
their boats can you imagine you know he

974
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:08,640
would drag boats from one to the other

975
00:46:13,579 --> 00:46:10,890
and then continue the journey and that's

976
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:13,589
all they did was a sink and crash down

977
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,420
there and they raided they fought each

978
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:17,579
other so that you had that stuff going

979
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:19,890
on and it just must be littered with

980
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:22,200
every you guys found a lot of stuff down

981
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,420
there by the way on that trip incredible

982
00:46:28,009 --> 00:46:26,339
stuff I mean really incredible artifacts

983
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:28,019
down there just sitting on the ocean

984
00:46:31,279 --> 00:46:29,640
floor and in you're right it's like this

985
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:31,289
was the kind of highway of the ancient

986
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:34,650
world and and you know it is just

987
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,569
littered with shipwrecks and certainly

988
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:38,880
in archaeology that's that's the you

989
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:40,710
know that's the frontier now that

990
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:42,359
people are moving into is there's so

991
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:44,820
much in the world's oceans in terms of

992
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,369
shipwrecks and artifacts that that we've

993
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:48,960
really just scratched the surface now

994
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:50,910
let's go back to your childhood really

995
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:53,880
quick before we hit this break did you

996
00:46:58,099 --> 00:46:56,130
have somebody steer you in in this

997
00:47:00,859 --> 00:46:58,109
direction did you have some crazy aunt

998
00:47:03,859 --> 00:47:00,869
or uncle that was tripping you out I

999
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:03,869
mean what was that like I mean it was a

1000
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,010
combination of things

1001
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:07,260
my a big part of it has to do with my

1002
00:47:12,859 --> 00:47:10,500
parents my dad who's retired now was a

1003
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:12,869
commercial deep-sea diver he's the real

1004
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:15,750
he's the real hardcore guy right in the

1005
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:17,609
family he was a he was a hardhat

1006
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:20,220
deep-sea diver you work in salvage

1007
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:23,609
working you know oil rigs and he was

1008
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,560
always working overseas so he was always

1009
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:27,000
coming home from these really exotic

1010
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:30,570
places he'd be he'd be in Africa and be

1011
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,420
in the North Sea off of Scotland and so

1012
00:47:38,359 --> 00:47:36,000
from an early age I was kind of like

1013
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,369
amazed by these adventures he was having

1014
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,680
and my mother is actually English so

1015
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,200
every year we would go over to England

1016
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:44,640
when I was a kid to visit my family

1017
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:47,640
there so ever since I was a kid we were

1018
00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:49,470
we were flying over to England my dad

1019
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:51,270
was travelling so I think from an early

1020
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,460
age I had this kind of sense of like wow

1021
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:55,560
there's this big world out there you

1022
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,530
know but I also was a total like

1023
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:00,660
Spielberg kid you know I always feel

1024
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:02,250
like Spielberg was like my stepfather or

1025
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:05,030
something so you know I I was a total

1026
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:08,730
Indiana Jones junkie I kind of grew up

1027
00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:11,730
in that kind of eighties Goonies kind of

1028
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:14,849
era you know and so I was obsessed with

1029
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:17,190
with with things like Indiana Jones and

1030
00:48:22,099 --> 00:48:19,230
the Goonies and I really do think in a

1031
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:22,109
lot of ways it made a really deep

1032
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:25,890
impression on me about kind of having

1033
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:28,050
adventures you know and then being out

1034
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,060
there and living this adventurous life

1035
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:31,680
and so I think I always had that kind of

1036
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:34,650
bug and what about the supernatural side

1037
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:37,170
did you have a sighting did you have an

1038
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,050
experience you know somebody come back

1039
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:42,420
from the dead into your bedroom and say

1040
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:47,880
hello that they were doing okay my you

1041
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:50,490
know I was always into that stuff in the

1042
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,650
way that I think all kids are right like

1043
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:54,420
all kids kind of love go

1044
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,240
stories and and and everyone when you're

1045
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:59,099
a kid kind of knows another kid who's

1046
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,319
got a haunted story or something

1047
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:03,839
happened in his house for me it was my

1048
00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:06,930
best friend whose name is yone rhymes

1049
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:07,950
with phone

1050
00:49:14,180 --> 00:49:11,280
yone who's this kid that i grew up with

1051
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:14,190
his family had this this big kind of

1052
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:16,500
rambling creepy house that was right on

1053
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,790
the rocks over the ocean in

1054
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,619
Massachusetts where I grew up and it was

1055
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:22,020
a really old house and as kids we used

1056
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:24,599
to go there me and him and a few other

1057
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:27,240
guys in the neighborhood and the house

1058
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:30,030
was notoriously haunted people lots of

1059
00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:31,619
people had seen stuff in this house and

1060
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:34,109
doors would slam and I hate it hate it

1061
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,430
spending the night in this house we used

1062
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:37,680
to do sleepovers there and I hated it

1063
00:49:40,940 --> 00:49:39,660
but but you know your kids do you kind

1064
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:40,950
of love it and you hate it you know is

1065
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:42,630
like terrifying but it was exciting and

1066
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:44,910
so we used to do we G boards and stuff

1067
00:49:49,549 --> 00:49:47,880
there we were kids and and and you know

1068
00:49:51,789 --> 00:49:49,559
with the woodwork and things would

1069
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:51,799
happen and the needle would move and and

1070
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:54,420
and one of our friends sauce saw

1071
00:49:59,809 --> 00:49:56,970
something in an upstairs closet and was

1072
00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:59,819
terrified and fell down the stairs and

1073
00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:01,410
screaming seeing something in this house

1074
00:50:06,289 --> 00:50:03,990
it was one of those those places that

1075
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,299
was just filled with that kind of energy

1076
00:50:10,579 --> 00:50:08,579
of you know the spooky kind of haunted

1077
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:10,589
house vibe right so ever since I was a

1078
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:12,450
kid we were we were always into that

1079
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,730
stuff and so I think that kind of laid

1080
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:16,380
the groundwork for me for for an

1081
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:18,390
interest in in investigating the

1082
00:50:25,549 --> 00:50:22,319
paranormal too because you know like

1083
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:25,559
everybody you know someone who has these

1084
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:28,200
experiences and you've been to places

1085
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:31,710
where you feel something you know places

1086
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,750
have an energy right and so you there's

1087
00:50:38,299 --> 00:50:35,280
certain places you walk into and you go

1088
00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:38,309
oh the weird feeling in here and so yeah

1089
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,500
from an early age my my best friend's

1090
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:43,140
house was I think like the early entree

1091
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:47,040
into being totally into this stuff now

1092
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:51,599
before your television expeditions out

1093
00:50:56,180 --> 00:50:53,089
there look you know chasing down

1094
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,190
extraterrestrials or monsters it had you

1095
00:51:03,170 --> 00:50:58,680
had a sighting of something in the sky

1096
00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:03,180
before your television career no no I

1097
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:07,820
had you know I I am super

1098
00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:12,320
about space I love science fiction I

1099
00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:14,870
grew up watching Star Trek and Star Wars

1100
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:17,300
and was obsessed with sci-fi riders

1101
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:20,600
loved you know Bradbury and and azimoff

1102
00:51:25,870 --> 00:51:22,310
and all those guys and so I I was a

1103
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:25,880
sci-fi geek and so certainly I wanted to

1104
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:27,950
have an experience I mean I I was into

1105
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:31,700
this stuff hardcore and so no but i but

1106
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:34,250
i but i I never did I always was

1107
00:51:38,110 --> 00:51:36,650
completely mesmerized by the question of

1108
00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:38,120
whether or not we're alone in the

1109
00:51:43,690 --> 00:51:41,630
universe and so it's something from an

1110
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:43,700
early age that I had a real real passion

1111
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:46,010
for have you answered that question for

1112
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:51,320
yourself yes and no you know this this

1113
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:53,570
special that we're airing now which is

1114
00:51:59,080 --> 00:51:56,270
this big four-part special is devoted

1115
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,090
just to this one question you know and I

1116
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:00,800
think in many ways it is like the

1117
00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:03,050
ultimate question you know are we alone

1118
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:05,150
and I think everybody has asked this

1119
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,690
question

1120
00:52:09,850 --> 00:52:08,240
and so for me the whole reason we wanted

1121
00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:09,860
to do the special as I wanted to go

1122
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:12,920
around the world I wanted to meet you

1123
00:52:18,310 --> 00:52:15,710
know compelling eyewitnesses I wanted to

1124
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:18,320
meet real experts and I wanted to sort

1125
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:20,360
of say okay what's really out there for

1126
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:25,370
evidence and is this real and so I came

1127
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:28,250
back from that trip with a lot of you

1128
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,710
know really interesting revelations with

1129
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:32,480
there's amazing evidence in the show and

1130
00:52:39,010 --> 00:52:34,070
there's really cool stuff in the series

1131
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:39,020
but I also came back feeling 100%

1132
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:41,390
convinced that there is life out in the

1133
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:43,790
universe now whether it's been here to

1134
00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:45,230
Earth or not that's a much stickier

1135
00:52:49,870 --> 00:52:47,660
question and so I still grapple with

1136
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:49,880
with that question but I came back from

1137
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:52,310
this show a believer in the sense that I

1138
00:52:59,830 --> 00:52:55,880
now think it's impossible that were the

1139
00:53:02,320 --> 00:52:59,840
only game in town when I wish you and

1140
00:53:05,170 --> 00:53:02,330
your producers would have called me

1141
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:05,180
before I would have done I would have

1142
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:09,290
told you exactly where to go but there

1143
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:11,630
there's a there's a spot and it's you

1144
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:13,730
this is what's really great because

1145
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:16,250
you're in the right frame of mind

1146
00:53:22,930 --> 00:53:20,090
and the right age and so forth to go and

1147
00:53:24,609 --> 00:53:22,940
an experience where you have that

1148
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:24,619
epiphany and then you back up and you go

1149
00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:26,090
okay all right I get it

1150
00:53:33,849 --> 00:53:29,780
and that places II said II ranch up in

1151
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:33,859
Washington and if if if you ever get a

1152
00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:35,330
chance and you can go ahead and write

1153
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:37,099
that down and call me later I can hook

1154
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:39,530
you up but if you just go out there and

1155
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:41,690
also Joshua Tree California is pretty

1156
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:44,630
magical for this kind of stuff too but

1157
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:46,580
you just go up there and I can guarantee

1158
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,410
you they wouldn't even take this bet in

1159
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:51,200
Vegas like I promise you just go up

1160
00:53:54,849 --> 00:53:52,400
there and hang out for a couple of

1161
00:53:57,070 --> 00:53:54,859
nights and write and go out there in the

1162
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:57,080
field of the big Skywatch field and look

1163
00:54:02,170 --> 00:53:59,450
up and towards Mount Adams up there it's

1164
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:02,180
been going on for decades and and just

1165
00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:04,430
watch it's like you mentioned Spielberg

1166
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:07,480
it's like the ending of Close Encounters

1167
00:54:13,570 --> 00:54:10,970
but for real right and it's just like

1168
00:54:15,849 --> 00:54:13,580
it's it's unbelievable what goes on up

1169
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:15,859
there now this is the thing Josh when

1170
00:54:19,180 --> 00:54:17,840
you see these kind of objects and we're

1171
00:54:21,130 --> 00:54:19,190
gonna discuss some of the things that

1172
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,140
you have seen in these last four

1173
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:23,119
episodes when you see these things in

1174
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:24,080
the night sky

1175
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:26,450
which you can't convince yourself of is

1176
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,240
it us or them you know is it some secret

1177
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:31,520
technology that our military may have or

1178
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:34,910
is it something else you know and and if

1179
00:54:40,829 --> 00:54:37,690
it is our military with some secret

1180
00:54:43,570 --> 00:54:40,839
technology isn't that just as much of a

1181
00:54:45,849 --> 00:54:43,580
conspiracy or a concern for us knowing

1182
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:45,859
that we were not privy to that kind of

1183
00:54:51,339 --> 00:54:49,849
technology sure absolutely and and

1184
00:54:54,099 --> 00:54:51,349
that's you know that's something that we

1185
00:54:56,589 --> 00:54:54,109
cover a bit in a series as well is you

1186
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,599
know whether it's an extraterrestrial

1187
00:55:01,480 --> 00:54:58,880
explanation or something else yeah it's

1188
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:01,490
it's incredibly compelling stuff yeah

1189
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:03,190
let's take a break right here because

1190
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:06,560
I've seen some of the highlights of of

1191
00:55:15,609 --> 00:55:09,890
the four episodes and there are some

1192
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:15,619
moments there where Josh Josh really you

1193
00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:17,960
know when when Josh says holy crap what

1194
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:20,180
is that I want to know what he was

1195
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:23,510
seeing we'll talk about all of that in

1196
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:26,300
just a short bit our guest tonight Josh

1197
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:28,220
gates expedition unknown we're gonna

1198
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,630
talk about is

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00:55:33,999 --> 00:55:32,000
series that's airing right now on travel

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00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,009
channel called hunt for

1201
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:36,319
extraterrestrials this Jimmy Church will

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00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:37,390
be right back

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00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:52,680
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from Luxor Josh gates now Josh in in the

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00:59:49,790 --> 00:59:47,309
new series in this for parlour there's

1272
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:49,800
there's one shot that I keep going back

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00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:51,660
and laughing at because you're you're

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00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:54,150
driving and which is not safe to do by

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00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,790
the way you know look at a laptop while

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01:00:02,510 --> 00:59:59,520
driving somebody from the backseat look

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01:00:05,799 --> 01:00:02,520
at this in fact I think right the last

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01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:05,809
word before you drive off a cliff right

1279
01:00:14,359 --> 01:00:11,040
exactly and but you freaked out what

1280
01:00:17,059 --> 01:00:14,369
what were you looking at it's it's a

1281
01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:17,069
moment that that comes in the third or

1282
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:19,619
the fourth episode of the show where

1283
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:21,950
we've worked with these scientists in

1284
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:25,010
England who have this really interesting

1285
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:29,369
theory that they're testing about alien

1286
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,250
life possibly existing in microbial form

1287
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,559
you know not not the big sort of bad

1288
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:36,240
aliens that we're all used to seeing but

1289
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:38,520
of course tiny you know microscopic

1290
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:41,609
alien life and they believe that that

1291
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:44,130
there is extraterrestrial microbial life

1292
01:00:47,569 --> 01:00:45,630
that is right at the edge of the

1293
01:00:48,859 --> 01:00:47,579
atmosphere sort of drifting down from

1294
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:48,869
space

1295
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:50,910
coming into the Earth's atmosphere so we

1296
01:00:55,819 --> 01:00:53,339
sent up this really cool kind of

1297
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:55,829
high-tech low-tech weather balloon which

1298
01:01:00,380 --> 01:00:58,049
had this really amazing device attached

1299
01:01:02,210 --> 01:01:00,390
to it to collect samples and it had this

1300
01:01:06,289 --> 01:01:02,220
feed where it would send us information

1301
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,299
and we were looking at a live image of

1302
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:08,400
this thing that we could let go of Anna

1303
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:11,220
field literally communicating down

1304
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:13,799
images to us from the very edge of outer

1305
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:15,990
space and I was just so totally blown

1306
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,299
away that this thing that had been in my

1307
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:21,119
hands twenty minutes earlier was was

1308
01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:22,730
sending me like the most incredible

1309
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:24,900
imagery above the planet that I'd ever

1310
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:27,510
seen and that it was functioning and

1311
01:01:31,099 --> 01:01:29,430
this box kind of opens itself up and

1312
01:01:34,339 --> 01:01:31,109
collects these samples it's just really

1313
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:34,349
amazing stuff so it's also a really cool

1314
01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:36,510
experiment that has some amazing results

1315
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:38,020
and so it's it's one of the the

1316
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:39,580
the exciting things in the show is this

1317
01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:42,930
idea that you know maybe life on earth

1318
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:45,340
started this way it's this theory called

1319
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,640
panspermia which sounds x-rated but is

1320
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:52,000
not you know it is it is this theory

1321
01:01:57,900 --> 01:01:55,570
that basically a alien life in microbial

1322
01:02:00,300 --> 01:01:57,910
form smashed into the planet either via

1323
01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:00,310
you know being on board a meteorite or

1324
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:02,200
just sort of falling in from from space

1325
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:03,850
and that that sort of seeded the planet

1326
01:02:07,590 --> 01:02:05,310
and and that we all could be

1327
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:07,600
extraterrestrials in a sense and so it's

1328
01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:09,490
a really kind of mind you know

1329
01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:11,800
mind-blowing idea and there's really

1330
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:13,420
interesting evidence that it might be

1331
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:16,510
true and their report when it when it

1332
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:18,610
first broke and I'm reading it it's

1333
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:21,310
pretty chilling it's hair-raising if you

1334
01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:23,770
when you wrap your mind around exactly

1335
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:26,620
what they are suggesting which is this

1336
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:31,450
is raining down on us all the time right

1337
01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:35,440
that's pretty trippy right because there

1338
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:37,300
are there are different um you know

1339
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:38,890
thoughts on this and one of the things

1340
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:41,770
in this week's episode which airs

1341
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:45,880
tomorrow night on travel is this idea

1342
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:48,610
that perhaps life came here trapped

1343
01:02:54,030 --> 01:02:51,670
inside these meteorites which would be

1344
01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:54,040
rarer kind of events that every once in

1345
01:02:59,640 --> 01:02:56,200
a while a meteorite smashes into the

1346
01:03:01,920 --> 01:02:59,650
planet and maybe that meteorite has in

1347
01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:01,930
it some bacterial life and there's been

1348
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,550
a couple of meteorites it's a famous one

1349
01:03:07,050 --> 01:03:05,200
in Antarctica that was found think that

1350
01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:07,060
the Allan Hills meteorite right which a

1351
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:08,950
lot of scientists have looked at and

1352
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:11,530
said it looks like there is a kind of

1353
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,110
bacterial you know fossilized signature

1354
01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:16,000
in here of life but they've never been

1355
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:19,030
able to really agree on it and so it may

1356
01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:20,770
be something like that that happens or

1357
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:22,360
in the case of these scientists that we

1358
01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:24,130
work with they think it's happening all

1359
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:26,440
the time that that effectively out

1360
01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:30,130
beyond Earth's atmosphere that these

1361
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:32,680
little bits and bobs of microbial life

1362
01:03:36,750 --> 01:03:34,390
were just sort of drifting around space

1363
01:03:38,790 --> 01:03:36,760
and essentially falling in to the

1364
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:38,800
gravitational pull of planets everywhere

1365
01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:42,250
and that that's how life pops up the big

1366
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:45,790
discussion today is disclosure I don't

1367
01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:47,710
know if you caught Tom DeLonge you know

1368
01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:49,660
from blink-182

1369
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:52,539
his he did a live press conference a few

1370
01:03:57,059 --> 01:03:54,730
days ago from Seattle you know with the

1371
01:03:59,309 --> 01:03:57,069
ex-head of skunkworks and he had a CIA

1372
01:04:03,059 --> 01:03:59,319
guy Department of Defense official and

1373
01:04:04,589 --> 01:04:03,069
and how put off and and you know

1374
01:04:06,859 --> 01:04:04,599
announcing this new company that he's

1375
01:04:09,089 --> 01:04:06,869
forming you know pushing this disclosure

1376
01:04:13,170 --> 01:04:09,099
question forward and they're gonna

1377
01:04:15,089 --> 01:04:13,180
introduce alien technology into into

1378
01:04:17,010 --> 01:04:15,099
commercial industry now it's pretty

1379
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:17,020
ambitious and he's selling stock and

1380
01:04:23,579 --> 01:04:21,849
it's SEC publicly traded venture ok

1381
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:23,589
pretty interesting but the question of

1382
01:04:29,010 --> 01:04:26,710
disclosure is what the UFO community has

1383
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:29,020
been pushing for really hard the last

1384
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:32,230
ten years what would it take what is

1385
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,809
disclosure to you I mean what what would

1386
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:36,880
it take is it the flying saucer on the

1387
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:39,849
front lawn of the White House is that

1388
01:04:46,140 --> 01:04:42,609
what it's gonna take to to push this

1389
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,150
thing forward well I mean look in terms

1390
01:04:52,650 --> 01:04:48,400
of disclosure I think whether you're a

1391
01:04:54,809 --> 01:04:52,660
firm UFO eetzi believer or whether

1392
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:54,819
you're a hardened skeptic I think

1393
01:05:00,380 --> 01:04:57,609
there's no question that there has not

1394
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:00,390
been an enormous amount of transparency

1395
01:05:05,789 --> 01:05:03,910
in recent decades about some of the

1396
01:05:10,589 --> 01:05:05,799
sightings and reports that have happened

1397
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,599
the from the military from government

1398
01:05:13,650 --> 01:05:12,400
from you know even from civilians you

1399
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:13,660
know one of the things that really shot

1400
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:16,450
me in our in our special was we went

1401
01:05:22,529 --> 01:05:19,990
down to to Chile and Chile has strangely

1402
01:05:24,809 --> 01:05:22,539
high reports of UFOs there's a lot of

1403
01:05:26,279 --> 01:05:24,819
UFO sightings down in the Atacama Desert

1404
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,289
in Chile in the different parts of the

1405
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:28,000
country and they have a government

1406
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:31,710
organization called sefa which is

1407
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:35,170
entirely devoted to UFO reports this is

1408
01:05:40,019 --> 01:05:37,510
a government organization this is not

1409
01:05:41,579 --> 01:05:40,029
some you know civilian group this is not

1410
01:05:43,170 --> 01:05:41,589
a bunch of enthusiasts who got together

1411
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,180
these are people that are working for

1412
01:05:48,329 --> 01:05:45,760
the government and they take reports of

1413
01:05:50,010 --> 01:05:48,339
UFOs really seriously and everything is

1414
01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:50,020
transparent everything is published in

1415
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:51,460
there on their website and their

1416
01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:54,130
archives and I went down and met with

1417
01:05:58,650 --> 01:05:55,660
them and saw some of these amazing

1418
01:06:00,420 --> 01:05:58,660
videos that they have been investigating

1419
01:06:02,490 --> 01:06:00,430
and said to them you know why do you do

1420
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:02,500
this why do you have this this this

1421
01:06:05,539 --> 01:06:03,599
government

1422
01:06:07,519 --> 01:06:05,549
organization that that looks into this

1423
01:06:09,729 --> 01:06:07,529
and her answer was really simple they

1424
01:06:12,979 --> 01:06:09,739
said look you know over a million people

1425
01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:12,989
fly through Chilean airspace every year

1426
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,150
on commercial planes you're going on

1427
01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:17,220
vacation somewhere Chile takes up the

1428
01:06:19,819 --> 01:06:19,319
whole western edge of South America

1429
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:19,829
basically

1430
01:06:24,259 --> 01:06:22,680
or you know a lot of it and we've got

1431
01:06:26,059 --> 01:06:24,269
all sorts of people flying through our

1432
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:26,069
airspace we have our own national

1433
01:06:29,479 --> 01:06:27,900
security to worry about and if people

1434
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:29,489
are seeing something in the skies

1435
01:06:35,059 --> 01:06:32,660
whether it's a UFO or a groan or

1436
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:35,069
something else or weather phenomenon we

1437
01:06:39,019 --> 01:06:36,660
want to understand it we want to know

1438
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:39,029
about it and there's nothing secretive

1439
01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:41,160
about that we want to investigate it and

1440
01:06:46,279 --> 01:06:43,109
we'll we're gonna report what we find

1441
01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:46,289
now that's in such stark contrast to the

1442
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:47,700
way that we do things in the United

1443
01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:49,799
States where we may have had Project

1444
01:06:55,609 --> 01:06:51,390
Blue Book and things like that decades

1445
01:06:59,839 --> 01:06:55,619
ago but there is really no you know open

1446
01:07:02,059 --> 01:06:59,849
and transparent government organization

1447
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:02,069
investigating these things and it's all

1448
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:04,650
sort of kept no pun intended under the

1449
01:07:09,859 --> 01:07:06,900
radar so I think in terms of disclosure

1450
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:09,869
for me I just think that it is important

1451
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:12,660
that this question should be talked

1452
01:07:16,459 --> 01:07:14,729
about more openly and there are

1453
01:07:18,259 --> 01:07:16,469
obviously sightings that have taken

1454
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:18,269
place and there's no reason for those to

1455
01:07:23,209 --> 01:07:20,579
be I think as secretive as they are I

1456
01:07:25,099 --> 01:07:23,219
think a more kind of open approach to

1457
01:07:27,799 --> 01:07:25,109
that would be great now what would it

1458
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:27,809
take for me for me or everybody to

1459
01:07:31,279 --> 01:07:29,609
become a believer well that's that's the

1460
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:31,289
you know that's the big question I mean

1461
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:35,450
I think it would take for many people

1462
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:38,940
you know physical proof in the flesh

1463
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:41,579
something that is not in the shadows

1464
01:07:47,479 --> 01:07:44,249
something that is not debatable

1465
01:07:49,489 --> 01:07:47,489
something that is tangible that is yeah

1466
01:07:51,799 --> 01:07:49,499
that this but the spaceship on the lawn

1467
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:51,809
right I mean I think that that until we

1468
01:07:57,229 --> 01:07:55,140
have this kind of you know right in

1469
01:08:00,380 --> 01:07:57,239
front of us physical proof I think for

1470
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:00,390
many people this question of UFOs will

1471
01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:02,609
always be an outlying question it will

1472
01:08:07,309 --> 01:08:05,430
always be something fringy unless it can

1473
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:07,319
be brought into the mainstream do you

1474
01:08:17,420 --> 01:08:15,529
probably not I mean who knows you know I

1475
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:17,430
mean we I mean I mean yes

1476
01:08:26,530 --> 01:08:22,410
no I mean um I I think in some sense no

1477
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:26,540
I think in some sense it would rock our

1478
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:29,010
civilizations to the core you know I

1479
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:32,610
mean so much of our society not just

1480
01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:35,100
here but around the world has pretty

1481
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:39,240
pretty entrenched like religious

1482
01:08:43,340 --> 01:08:41,160
underpinnings I mean I think saying

1483
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,350
we're not alone in the universe we're

1484
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,140
not unique we are not the only game in

1485
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:48,900
town would be pretty shocking I think

1486
01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:50,670
for a lot of people and it would mean

1487
01:08:54,740 --> 01:08:52,260
having to rethink a lot of things and

1488
01:08:58,730 --> 01:08:54,750
and look at things differently but at

1489
01:09:00,530 --> 01:08:58,740
the same time you know if that's the

1490
01:09:03,950 --> 01:09:00,540
case and it's real it's the most

1491
01:09:06,620 --> 01:09:03,960
important discovery in the history of

1492
01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:06,630
humanity so yeah I mean I think that I

1493
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:08,820
think we would have to handle it ya know

1494
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:13,170
so well I I feel like I just interrupted

1495
01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:15,030
you but this is what I find interesting

1496
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,400
because you you even said it yourself at

1497
01:09:23,270 --> 01:09:19,920
the when we first started talking which

1498
01:09:25,940 --> 01:09:23,280
is this we've been asking all cultures

1499
01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:25,950
have been looking to the stars you know

1500
01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:29,280
for 10,000 years wondering what's going

1501
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:31,830
on up there right this is the fundament

1502
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:33,780
we have two fundamental questions what

1503
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:37,110
happens when we die and are we alone

1504
01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:39,510
so right it's not like we're not so

1505
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,270
right we've been preparing ourselves for

1506
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:45,120
it so why ask the question if you don't

1507
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,880
want the answer and I I just believe

1508
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:49,980
that we could look you live in LA this

1509
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,930
is my attitude right you live in LA

1510
01:09:55,690 --> 01:09:54,000
there's nothing worse than the 405

1511
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,700
freeway at five o'clock in the afternoon

1512
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,360
right am i right

1513
01:10:03,140 --> 01:10:00,480
nothing nothing right okay now if a

1514
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:03,150
flying saucer big craft came down and

1515
01:10:09,530 --> 01:10:06,510
landed on the 405 during rush hour at

1516
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:09,540
5:00 p.m. there's going to be about 15

1517
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:11,820
minutes of freakout whoa there's a

1518
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:14,460
flying saucer but 20 minutes later

1519
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:16,290
somebody's gonna start honking their

1520
01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:18,210
horn saying get that thing off of the

1521
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:21,270
freeway right and I thought that's

1522
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:24,210
that's what I think no I think you're

1523
01:10:27,530 --> 01:10:25,650
absolutely right I mean I look I think

1524
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:27,540
for me coming out of this whole

1525
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:30,150
investigation going around the world the

1526
01:10:35,060 --> 01:10:32,100
thing that really

1527
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:35,070
kind of amazed me in the end of of all

1528
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:37,830
of this but also kind of of frustrated

1529
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:42,480
me is that I think there is no doubt now

1530
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,030
that there is life out in the universe

1531
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:47,040
you know one of the things that was kind

1532
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:48,630
of shocking to me as I went around the

1533
01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:51,420
world is that the brightest minds on the

1534
01:10:56,740 --> 01:10:54,390
planet they really agree on this now I

1535
01:10:59,420 --> 01:10:56,750
mean there is a consensus now among

1536
01:11:03,200 --> 01:10:59,430
astronauts and astronomers and deep

1537
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:03,210
space explorers that it would be crazy

1538
01:11:09,140 --> 01:11:06,540
if we were the only life in the universe

1539
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:09,150
you know twenty thirty years ago we had

1540
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,130
this idea that you know a planet like

1541
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,140
Earth might be incredibly rare there may

1542
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:15,360
be nothing else out there like Earth you

1543
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:17,460
know just the right kind of Goldilocks

1544
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:20,100
zone of of distance from a star and

1545
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,830
having an atmosphere and water and the

1546
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:24,480
right amount of gravity and all that and

1547
01:11:29,690 --> 01:11:27,690
now we know that planets like Earth are

1548
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:29,700
way more common than we thought they're

1549
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:31,350
they're finding these planets they're

1550
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:33,480
called exoplanets right there they're

1551
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:36,120
finding these planets every week every

1552
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:38,430
day and these yeah every day yeah and

1553
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:40,410
these these deep-space telescopes are

1554
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:42,300
now finding hundreds and hundreds of

1555
01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:44,040
these and we're now realizing there may

1556
01:11:49,730 --> 01:11:47,490
be billions of planets that fit the bill

1557
01:11:51,260 --> 01:11:49,740
that that are just like earth in that

1558
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:51,270
they're sitting in this this kind of

1559
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:52,890
sweet spot where we know life is

1560
01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:56,970
possible and so to me that's incredible

1561
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,140
you know we we're now able to image

1562
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:03,120
these these these planets at least kind

1563
01:12:08,210 --> 01:12:05,070
of indirectly and know that they're

1564
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:08,220
there and so to me I just feel like

1565
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:12,480
that's enough for all of us to be really

1566
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:14,520
excited about trying to get out into the

1567
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:16,770
universe and explore and figure out what

1568
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:18,600
is out there and yet I think a lot of

1569
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:21,570
people see the news of these exoplanets

1570
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:22,980
and they kind of you know shrug and they

1571
01:12:26,540 --> 01:12:24,390
drink their morning coffee and they kind

1572
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:26,550
of probably agree a lot of people kind

1573
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:29,250
of say yeah you know probably we are not

1574
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:30,840
alone in the universe and it's like well

1575
01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:33,390
wait a minute that's that's like huge if

1576
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:34,830
you if you believe that that kind of

1577
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:37,170
rocks everything and so I do think

1578
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:38,430
people could get used to it because I

1579
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:39,960
think people have gotten used to the

1580
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:42,600
idea a lot of people are kind of used to

1581
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:44,040
the idea that yeah you know they are

1582
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:45,030
finding these earth-like

1583
01:12:48,109 --> 01:12:46,260
planets maybe there is something else

1584
01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:48,119
out there and people are kind of

1585
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:49,800
normalized that been like yeah okay I

1586
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:52,050
guess so whereas I'm like that's it like

1587
01:12:56,299 --> 01:12:54,329
then we should be launching spaceships

1588
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:56,309
tomorrow like let's go try to find

1589
01:13:00,919 --> 01:12:58,739
what's out there you know and to me

1590
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,929
whether you believe in the UFO part of

1591
01:13:04,459 --> 01:13:02,820
it or not if you're on board with the

1592
01:13:07,339 --> 01:13:04,469
idea that there might be life in the

1593
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:07,349
universe that's that changes everything

1594
01:13:13,010 --> 01:13:10,530
that's mind-bending stuff and so I I

1595
01:13:14,779 --> 01:13:13,020
wish there was more enthusiasm to really

1596
01:13:17,779 --> 01:13:14,789
tackle that question and get out there

1597
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:17,789
and try to try to figure out what that

1598
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:19,409
life looks like where it is and how to

1599
01:13:24,529 --> 01:13:22,530
communicate with it now you just this is

1600
01:13:26,629 --> 01:13:24,539
what's really interesting because you

1601
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:26,639
just experienced this firsthand you you

1602
01:13:30,740 --> 01:13:28,230
know you go down to Chile you meet with

1603
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:30,750
the military I know that those guys were

1604
01:13:35,209 --> 01:13:33,150
wearing their uniforms right and you're

1605
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:35,219
talking about the agent question right

1606
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:37,489
right you can't do that at the Pentagon

1607
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:40,770
you Josh gates you couldn't go and knock

1608
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:42,449
on the Pentagon with your producers and

1609
01:13:47,330 --> 01:13:43,860
go can we sit down and talk about the

1610
01:13:49,819 --> 01:13:47,340
alien agenda it would be a very short it

1611
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:49,829
would be very short why why the

1612
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:52,770
difference in in in the way that our

1613
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:55,500
cultures are dealing with this they are

1614
01:14:00,049 --> 01:13:58,170
pushing for openness so as France you

1615
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:00,059
know that you know Chile's not alone in

1616
01:14:05,569 --> 01:14:03,210
this but you just experience it but

1617
01:14:08,089 --> 01:14:05,579
there is nobody in our military that

1618
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:08,099
would seriously sit down and and talk to

1619
01:14:14,029 --> 01:14:11,489
you I know and that's and that's that's

1620
01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:14,039
a shame and I and I think that it's like

1621
01:14:19,339 --> 01:14:16,230
well first of all they're they're just

1622
01:14:21,740 --> 01:14:19,349
should be an openness because people are

1623
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:21,750
having experiences people are having

1624
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:24,329
compelling encounters and those should

1625
01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:25,920
be looked at you know whether you're a

1626
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:27,300
skeptic or not though should be looked

1627
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:30,329
at but the other part of it for me is is

1628
01:14:35,629 --> 01:14:32,699
this other question which is like you

1629
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:35,639
know being so close-minded to to this

1630
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:38,010
question I think in some ways has

1631
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:42,239
stunted our enthusiasm to go out into

1632
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,590
the universe and explore this question

1633
01:14:48,260 --> 01:14:46,320
you know I mean I mean I don't care if

1634
01:14:51,140 --> 01:14:48,270
you're the most hardened skeptic in the

1635
01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:51,150
world you cannot argue anymore with the

1636
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:52,679
fact that we're finding these planets

1637
01:14:56,990 --> 01:14:54,449
all over the universe and if and and and

1638
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:57,000
once you kind of settle in and realize

1639
01:14:58,970 --> 01:14:58,500
that that's the deal that there are

1640
01:15:01,940 --> 01:14:58,980
earth-like

1641
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:01,950
planets all over the place you got to

1642
01:15:08,150 --> 01:15:05,040
really work hard too to say to yourself

1643
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:08,160
we are the only organic matter entire

1644
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:10,440
vast universe and the minute you sort of

1645
01:15:14,150 --> 01:15:11,489
let that creep in

1646
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:14,160
then what's so crazy about the idea of

1647
01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:16,470
aliens what's what's I mean if you know

1648
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,540
once you kind of let in the reality of

1649
01:15:22,670 --> 01:15:20,400
the fact that that life is out there

1650
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:22,680
then all of it gets a little bit more

1651
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:25,050
possible yeah you know if we found out

1652
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:28,290
that we were actually alone alone then

1653
01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:30,210
there's no reason to live right there's

1654
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:32,430
no reason to save this planet let's just

1655
01:15:36,710 --> 01:15:35,370
party this mother down right I mean well

1656
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,720
I mean it's more terrifying you're right

1657
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:38,400
right right I mean it's yeah if you're

1658
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:40,050
if you're if you're totally alone in

1659
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:42,510
this gigantic empty black but you know

1660
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:43,590
emptiness of space

1661
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,410
that's like terrifying you know it's I

1662
01:15:51,170 --> 01:15:49,440
don't care no yeah yeah totally totally

1663
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,180
you don't want to be alone you you you

1664
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,560
want there to be alien life out there

1665
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:54,000
unless they're giant insects and they

1666
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:57,600
come here and eat us and eat us you I

1667
01:16:03,740 --> 01:16:01,260
you went down to Nazca and I want your

1668
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:03,750
impressions of of that because it is

1669
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:06,780
such a fascinating place plus there's

1670
01:16:12,710 --> 01:16:10,170
been you know the these three fingered

1671
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:12,720
mummies three finger three toe mommies

1672
01:16:16,580 --> 01:16:14,790
that have recently surfaced down there

1673
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,590
they're doing the DNA testing on it's

1674
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:18,000
pretty fascinating to look at these

1675
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:21,450
videos and look at the MRIs and and the

1676
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:25,260
what's the word x-rays what do you think

1677
01:16:32,060 --> 01:16:28,640
about that and how did nazca affect you

1678
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:32,070
NASA's a really wild place you know I

1679
01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:33,540
mean I'm sure most folks are familiar

1680
01:16:37,670 --> 01:16:34,980
with it but we're talking about the

1681
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:37,680
deserts of of Peru here where you've got

1682
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:39,870
this this ancient civilization that made

1683
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:44,070
these massive glyphs and symbols in the

1684
01:16:48,890 --> 01:16:46,980
sand and what is really wild about Nazca

1685
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:48,900
is when you go down there and you stand

1686
01:16:52,370 --> 01:16:50,970
at ground level you kind of look around

1687
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:52,380
and you're like alright I'm looking at

1688
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:53,610
the desert there's not much to see here

1689
01:16:57,170 --> 01:16:55,500
but when you get some elevation and you

1690
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:57,180
get up high you see these incredibly

1691
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:00,840
complex shapes and symbols it's real

1692
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,530
easy to say this has got to be somehow

1693
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:06,480
connected to the skies because this is

1694
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:08,460
something that is is just undoable

1695
01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:10,890
almost from ground level now there are

1696
01:17:13,620 --> 01:17:12,040
hills around now

1697
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:13,630
where you can see a lot of these things

1698
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:15,610
some of them there are some that are way

1699
01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:18,250
out in the flats that it's sort of you

1700
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:20,230
sir struggle to understand why anybody

1701
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:21,790
would build these things because you

1702
01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:24,220
can't really see them from the ground um

1703
01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:26,860
you know I don't know I I one of the

1704
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:28,720
things that we're investigating in this

1705
01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:30,250
second episode of the show is this

1706
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:31,990
ancient alien question which is this

1707
01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:34,210
sort of subset as you obviously well

1708
01:17:40,980 --> 01:17:38,350
know of this whole question and the it

1709
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:40,990
and it's really an area in which I'm was

1710
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,320
the most skeptical going in because I'm

1711
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:46,480
such a lover of history and archaeology

1712
01:17:51,150 --> 01:17:48,760
and you know sometimes the early

1713
01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:51,160
achievements of man are really weird but

1714
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,510
that doesn't necessarily make them

1715
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:55,360
extraterrestrial right and so you look

1716
01:17:59,580 --> 01:17:56,890
at the Nazca lines and there are a lot

1717
01:18:03,180 --> 01:17:59,590
of totally sober rational explanations

1718
01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:03,190
for how they built them and and things

1719
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:05,560
like that but you do bump up against

1720
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:07,570
these these kind of parts of the problem

1721
01:18:12,930 --> 01:18:10,990
where you then go okay but why did they

1722
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:12,940
build them and they say well it's this

1723
01:18:16,230 --> 01:18:14,710
maybe they did ceremonies we don't

1724
01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:16,240
really know but there's some evidence

1725
01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:19,420
that they were used for rituals and okay

1726
01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:21,430
why do they look like big runways and

1727
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:23,260
weird intersecting shapes that don't

1728
01:18:27,180 --> 01:18:25,210
really at all look like anything

1729
01:18:31,290 --> 01:18:27,190
terrestrial well we don't really know

1730
01:18:33,390 --> 01:18:31,300
you know so you kind of end up at this

1731
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:33,400
stopping point where there are things

1732
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:35,230
about ancient cultures you can't explain

1733
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:37,930
Nazca is a really strange place it has a

1734
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:40,540
kind of an amazing energy to it you know

1735
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:43,450
being down there and and it's a mystery

1736
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:45,850
the Nazca people are a mystery I mean

1737
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,140
they survived in one of the harshest

1738
01:18:53,490 --> 01:18:51,760
worst places you could bill I mean like

1739
01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:53,500
if you were a member of the Nazca

1740
01:18:56,430 --> 01:18:55,060
civilizations another group down there

1741
01:18:58,590 --> 01:18:56,440
called the pockets that are famous for

1742
01:19:00,090 --> 01:18:58,600
elongating their skulls right this is a

1743
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:00,100
place where you would not want to live

1744
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:02,110
like everywhere else in Peru is a better

1745
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:03,370
deal than this like go up to the

1746
01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:05,170
highlands with its like this rain and

1747
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:07,420
those things are growing this is like

1748
01:19:11,790 --> 01:19:09,820
you have to really want to live in a

1749
01:19:13,380 --> 01:19:11,800
crappy environment you know to be down

1750
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:13,390
in these deserts it is like it does not

1751
01:19:18,030 --> 01:19:16,150
rain ever down there and yet here they

1752
01:19:20,610 --> 01:19:18,040
are forging this existence making these

1753
01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:20,620
really strange shapes we we spent a lot

1754
01:19:24,780 --> 01:19:23,080
of this second episode in Easter Island

1755
01:19:25,979 --> 01:19:24,790
and Easter Island has long been

1756
01:19:28,859 --> 01:19:25,989
associated with

1757
01:19:32,129 --> 01:19:28,869
you know strange sort of connections to

1758
01:19:34,350 --> 01:19:32,139
extraterrestrials of course famous for

1759
01:19:36,989 --> 01:19:34,360
these giant moai statues that everybody

1760
01:19:39,299 --> 01:19:36,999
knows and you know Easter Island has

1761
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:39,309
this same weird history it's like you

1762
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:40,480
have all these people that are building

1763
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:43,360
these giant statues really we don't know

1764
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,489
why it took any huge amount of resources

1765
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:48,159
to do for a group of people who didn't

1766
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,840
have a lot of resources to begin with

1767
01:19:54,029 --> 01:19:52,239
but ok they're worshipping their gods or

1768
01:19:56,189 --> 01:19:54,039
their ancestors and so they're building

1769
01:19:57,839 --> 01:19:56,199
these statues and then at some point in

1770
01:19:59,939 --> 01:19:57,849
their history they abandon all of that

1771
01:20:01,620 --> 01:19:59,949
just one day they just decide ok we're

1772
01:20:03,419 --> 01:20:01,630
not gonna make the statues anymore

1773
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,429
we're gonna worship this cult of the

1774
01:20:08,939 --> 01:20:05,679
Birdman right which is this kind of

1775
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:08,949
religion devoted to this entity from the

1776
01:20:14,339 --> 01:20:12,070
sky you know and so some people have

1777
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:14,349
said well some something came down from

1778
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:16,690
the sky and they and they turned their

1779
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:18,010
attention toward it and said okay we're

1780
01:20:20,729 --> 01:20:19,210
gonna worship this now and

1781
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:20,739
archaeologists say well that's nonsense

1782
01:20:25,649 --> 01:20:23,050
like there's no evidence that that that

1783
01:20:28,259 --> 01:20:25,659
happened and then you go ok but why did

1784
01:20:30,930 --> 01:20:28,269
they why did they suddenly you know

1785
01:20:32,729 --> 01:20:30,940
after after honing their skills making

1786
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:32,739
these statues which were so important to

1787
01:20:37,649 --> 01:20:34,329
them why did they suddenly give it all

1788
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:37,659
up to worship this other thing and they

1789
01:20:41,609 --> 01:20:40,210
kind of go well we don't really know you

1790
01:20:43,890 --> 01:20:41,619
know so you always end up in this kind

1791
01:20:45,299 --> 01:20:43,900
of this this kind of dead end but that

1792
01:20:47,339 --> 01:20:45,309
doesn't mean that things are

1793
01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:47,349
extraterrestrial it just means there are

1794
01:20:51,209 --> 01:20:49,480
still questions out there and that's one

1795
01:20:53,339 --> 01:20:51,219
of the things I love about this job is

1796
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:53,349
that it's fun to pull it those threads

1797
01:20:58,350 --> 01:20:56,170
and ask those questions well I'll tell

1798
01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:58,360
you what's most fascinating about Easter

1799
01:21:02,459 --> 01:20:59,530
Island for me

1800
01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:02,469
yeah the moai cool yeah okay I get all

1801
01:21:07,979 --> 01:21:04,329
of that facing the ocean that you know

1802
01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:07,989
okay big large okay I get that but you

1803
01:21:15,779 --> 01:21:12,550
can draw a line from a perfectly

1804
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:15,789
straight line from Easter Island through

1805
01:21:21,989 --> 01:21:18,760
Machu Picchu through the Great Pyramid

1806
01:21:25,410 --> 01:21:21,999
of Egypt and end at gobekli tepe and

1807
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:25,420
Turkey there on the same line the same

1808
01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:28,960
exact line now that that's when you have

1809
01:21:34,020 --> 01:21:31,329
to step back yeah okay great megalithic

1810
01:21:37,919 --> 01:21:34,030
structures amazing but why are they on

1811
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:37,929
the same line that's that's that's

1812
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:39,730
something that I think are key

1813
01:21:45,780 --> 01:21:43,810
Rajasthan biologists anthropologists

1814
01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:45,790
they have a hard time explaining that

1815
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,270
they can say man was just smart they

1816
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:51,040
they figured out how to move these big

1817
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:54,130
blocks of stone and how to carve and but

1818
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:55,570
they can't explain why they're all on

1819
01:22:01,670 --> 01:21:59,250
the same line that's right they can't

1820
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:01,680
and that's what makes it so cool

1821
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:04,330
now does that push the ancient alien

1822
01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:07,090
theory forward I don't know but it's

1823
01:22:12,090 --> 01:22:09,190
just it seems to me that somebody was

1824
01:22:14,670 --> 01:22:12,100
communicating in the transoceanic sense

1825
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:14,680
through these cultures over time when

1826
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:16,180
clearly they shouldn't have had that

1827
01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:18,610
ability and that includes Easter Island

1828
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:20,620
which is one of the most remote places

1829
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:24,280
on the planet yeah I mean look there

1830
01:22:29,250 --> 01:22:26,260
there are lots of places in the ancient

1831
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:29,260
world where similar symbols seem to pop

1832
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:31,930
up around the world similar types of

1833
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:34,030
building and construction seem to happen

1834
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:35,770
there are these big leaps in technology

1835
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:39,280
and you know there are a lot of unknowns

1836
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:41,380
about how some of these cultures kind of

1837
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:44,170
jump-started there's really compelling

1838
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:47,530
ideas about you know how all that

1839
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:51,340
happened for me you know I'm I'm kind of

1840
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:55,420
like fascinated by how incredible

1841
01:23:00,120 --> 01:22:57,850
ancient cultures are and so sometimes I

1842
01:23:03,210 --> 01:23:00,130
feel like the ancient alien thing kind

1843
01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:03,220
of undercuts how totally cool and badass

1844
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:06,040
and inventive people can be and so there

1845
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:09,489
are instances where I think that even

1846
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:12,070
though it's it's sort of difficult to to

1847
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,210
wrap your head around there are

1848
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:15,520
instances where people just did maybe

1849
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:18,610
wild difficult strange things and that's

1850
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:20,200
kind of what's amazing about humanity

1851
01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:22,630
but if I was in a floor fight with

1852
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:25,300
somebody saying how do you explain X Y

1853
01:23:29,010 --> 01:23:26,920
or Z about some of these ancient

1854
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,020
cultures there's no question that there

1855
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:31,840
are big gaps in what we know and so

1856
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:33,489
there's a lot of room to argue there and

1857
01:23:36,570 --> 01:23:35,110
that's what that's what makes it cool

1858
01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:36,580
that's that's what makes these questions

1859
01:23:40,770 --> 01:23:38,200
so interesting now when we come back

1860
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:40,780
after this next break I want to explore

1861
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this a little bit further plus you're in

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Egypt right now so I do actually want to

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01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:47,050
talk about this but something was

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01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:48,640
released today there was a press release

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01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:52,090
and you probably haven't seen it so let

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01:24:00,180 --> 01:23:53,290
me tell you about it

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found in Turkey okay in a tomb of a toy

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01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:04,660
it's 5000 years old okay we're talking

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about 3000 BC a four wheeled chariot now

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01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:14,560
that's where you got to kind of pump the

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01:24:20,850 --> 01:24:17,950
brakes here on all of this just go wait

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01:24:23,010 --> 01:24:20,860
a minute and you look at this toy and

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01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:23,020
it's it is what it is it's a four

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01:24:31,890 --> 01:24:27,550
wheeled toy chariot now not two wheels

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01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,900
no we're just wheels in right and you

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01:24:35,730 --> 01:24:33,040
look like it and you're like that's

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01:24:38,670 --> 01:24:35,740
about as modern as anything gets but

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01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:38,680
it's 5,000 years old and we have to stop

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in and say to ourselves are we really

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01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:43,360
being told the truth about where we came

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from and where the knowledge is so those

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01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:48,130
are the discoveries to me that are

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01:24:53,010 --> 01:24:50,020
fascinating and you wonder how these

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01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,020
upright civilizations came to be so

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01:24:57,930 --> 01:24:55,360
early big-time

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and there are all sorts of totally

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01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,240
mind-bending mysteries when it comes to

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how they discovered a lot of their

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engineer I mean you know there are some

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Kate like if you if you sort of look at

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01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:08,620
a graph of how these civilizations

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emerge

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you've kind of got for thousands of

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years people not doing much of anything

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and kind of you know scrubbing around at

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ground level just kind of trying to

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survive and then you see this huge spike

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where suddenly I mean look at Egypt you

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01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:25,660
know they're they're building engine you

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know they're pulling off engineering and

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monumental structures that we'd have a

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hard time building today yeah totally I

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01:25:37,410 --> 01:25:35,890
know huge leaps in technology okay we're

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gonna head towards oh we're gonna head

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01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:39,460
towards a break before we do yeah look

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at what I just sent you I will no look

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01:25:47,790 --> 01:25:45,550
at it right now it's right I'm going to

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the computer it's happening oh okay

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[Music]

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look at them looking that is 5,000 years

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old

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crazy that's that's not that's that's

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let's take a break right I hope I just

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stopped Josh in his tracks right there

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01:26:08,670 --> 01:26:06,490
that that is pretty interesting

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I just need help getting an explanation

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that is just fascinating to look at our

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guest tonight Josh gates

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that's right host of expedition unknown

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he's live from Luxor Egypt

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this is fade to black I'll be right back

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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with Jimmy church on the game changing

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network oh you're listening to Jimmy

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Church this is a revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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your host Jimmy church tonight it's Josh

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gates of expedition unknown live from

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Luxor Egypt and I'm just gonna let the

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cat out of the bag just a little bit

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come and hang out with this also this

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01:30:40,580 --> 01:30:37,470
Saturday over on coast to coast we're

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gonna have Josh over there for part two

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and we'll take things a little bit

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further over on coast to coast and Thank

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You Josh for finding the time in your

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schedule over there shooting in

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production to to come and hang out with

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us over here in the States

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are you kidding me man I'm thrilled to

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01:30:59,080 --> 01:30:57,060
be here man it's so cool now let's get

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01:31:02,530 --> 01:30:59,090
back to this ancient alien discussion

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01:31:05,570 --> 01:31:02,540
and this series in in hunt for

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01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:05,580
extraterrestrials because the ancient

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01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:09,330
alien series really has done a lot to

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01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,210
push this question forward to people

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01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:14,400
that are not in the UFO circles right

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01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:17,130
they're not they they're just yeah you

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01:31:21,530 --> 01:31:19,620
know and it's it's really cool the the

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01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:21,540
question is now out there but for you

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01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:24,090
now that you've done some due diligence

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01:31:30,980 --> 01:31:28,170
here what's the best evidence for you

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01:31:34,700 --> 01:31:30,990
that ancient aliens may have influenced

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01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:34,710
us well again this is the area that I'm

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I think the most sort of

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stick-in-the-mud skeptic about and so

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it's the one you know I I really came

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01:31:45,260 --> 01:31:43,170
out of this show believing there's life

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out there in the universe and I really I

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01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:48,150
think in some ways you know I we we can

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01:31:51,530 --> 01:31:49,440
talk about this in a bit but I met some

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01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,540
eyewitnesses who had experiences that

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01:31:55,580 --> 01:31:53,280
really challenged what I thought I

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01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:55,590
believed the ancient alien stuff is

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01:31:59,660 --> 01:31:58,260
tough for me because I really do as

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01:32:01,940 --> 01:31:59,670
someone who went to school for

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01:32:04,580 --> 01:32:01,950
archaeology and and who has just such an

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01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:04,590
interest in early civilizations there is

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01:32:10,820 --> 01:32:08,970
a part of me that struggles with these

2031
01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:10,830
gaps in information I think a lot of

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01:32:15,650 --> 01:32:14,040
ancient alien stuff is the what if could

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01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:15,660
this have happened could this be the

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01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:19,350
explanation for X Y or Z and it's hard

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01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:21,690
to have a sort of throwdown about it

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01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:25,380
because archaeologists say well we think

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01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,480
that x y&z happened and an ancient alien

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01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,040
theorists might say that that something

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01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,199
else happened and fundamentally

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01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:32,880
Bruins sort of arguing in the margins

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01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:34,800
over where the evidence doesn't really

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01:32:39,979 --> 01:32:37,350
line up and so I'm still in that kind of

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01:32:41,959 --> 01:32:39,989
agnostic camp or where I say look I love

2044
01:32:44,510 --> 01:32:41,969
this stuff I would love I have no

2045
01:32:46,669 --> 01:32:44,520
problem you know believing that but I

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01:32:48,770 --> 01:32:46,679
need to see you know irrefutable

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01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:48,780
evidence and I haven't seen that yet

2048
01:32:52,610 --> 01:32:50,190
there's a lot of really compelling

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01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:52,620
interesting stuff in the margins but for

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01:32:56,930 --> 01:32:55,440
me I just want to see more and so I

2051
01:32:58,970 --> 01:32:56,940
think that's that's kind of where I

2052
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,980
where I you know come down to on the

2053
01:33:03,470 --> 01:33:01,440
ancient alien stuff is there's awesome

2054
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:03,480
compelling theories out there

2055
01:33:07,970 --> 01:33:05,940
I just don't think any of them are

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01:33:10,850 --> 01:33:07,980
airtight yet and that that's kind of

2057
01:33:13,939 --> 01:33:10,860
where I land on it okay well you avoided

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01:33:16,910 --> 01:33:13,949
the question really well there Josh so

2059
01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:16,920
let me so let me let me rephrase it and

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01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:24,510
come at you again at what is what was

2061
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:28,880
the one piece that made you go hmm okay

2062
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:31,260
there's got to be one thing there has to

2063
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:35,489
be I think I'm I'm kind of perplexed by

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01:33:42,140 --> 01:33:39,770
the fact that there are some symbols and

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01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:42,150
leaps and technology that seemed to

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01:33:45,979 --> 01:33:44,460
happen around the world in different

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01:33:48,260 --> 01:33:45,989
cultures that have no contact with each

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01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:48,270
other you know there is the these these

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01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:50,010
symbols on Easter Island that that you

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01:33:55,130 --> 01:33:53,610
see carved are very similar to symbols

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01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:55,140
that you see carved around the Nazca

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01:33:59,600 --> 01:33:56,850
culture in South America they're similar

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01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,610
to symbols you see in in parts of the

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01:34:04,340 --> 01:34:00,960
early civilizations in the Middle East

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01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:04,350
in pain you could kind of say yeah yeah

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01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:06,060
you you you could kind of say oh well

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01:34:08,689 --> 01:34:07,530
that's just a coincidence and and those

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01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:08,699
things just kind of popped up at the

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01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:11,010
same time and and you know but for me

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01:34:15,410 --> 01:34:12,980
the fact that you have people who

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01:34:17,060 --> 01:34:15,420
seemingly do not have the ability to

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01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:17,070
produce some of the technology that gets

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01:34:21,169 --> 01:34:18,540
made and then suddenly there are these

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01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:21,179
massive leaps and civilization certainly

2085
01:34:24,979 --> 01:34:23,489
makes you kind of go with wow how did

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01:34:28,250 --> 01:34:24,989
that happen how did they get it together

2087
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:28,260
to do that but at the same time people

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01:34:32,330 --> 01:34:30,449
do extraordinary things so that's where

2089
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I kind of you know end up on that scale

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01:34:39,979 --> 01:34:36,210
where where I'm probably the most

2091
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:39,989
fascinated in is this and I'll ask you

2092
01:34:46,919 --> 01:34:43,570
this question when you go back to all of

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01:34:48,270 --> 01:34:46,929
we go back 5,000 years and 4000 years

2094
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and you look at all of the cultures

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01:34:53,970 --> 01:34:50,020
around the world all of the religions

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01:34:56,669 --> 01:34:53,980
and we're the one basic fundamental that

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01:35:00,570 --> 01:34:56,679
rings true with all of them is they were

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01:35:03,330 --> 01:35:00,580
taught from somebody that came from the

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01:35:05,820 --> 01:35:03,340
stars right God angels you know

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01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:05,830
different and all of it came from there

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when at that point I'm not sure that

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kind of science fiction was something

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01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:13,000
that was talked about or thought about

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01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:15,610
but yet this knowledge came from the

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01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:18,250
Stars and it's from every culture it

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01:35:23,550 --> 01:35:20,890
doesn't matter where you go to and that

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01:35:26,370 --> 01:35:23,560
is interesting they chose to call them

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01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:26,380
gods or angels because they didn't have

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01:35:30,330 --> 01:35:28,690
a choice with the civilization around

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01:35:33,689 --> 01:35:30,340
them you got to tell a bit Scott you

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01:35:35,700 --> 01:35:33,699
can't tell them it's aliens right so but

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01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:35,710
but that's the part right just kind of

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01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:37,510
step back and go there's something more

2114
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,390
to this here they are talking about

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01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:42,400
their own experiences and their own

2116
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:44,410
experiences were just that that they

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01:35:49,459 --> 01:35:46,630
were taught their knowledge came from up

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01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:49,469
there it didn't come from their friends

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yeah I mean look that you know a another

2120
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:55,660
way of looking at that of course is that

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01:36:03,180 --> 01:35:59,199
all civilizations share this this one

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01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:03,190
reality which is that life comes from up

2123
01:36:07,229 --> 01:36:05,230
there I mean almost every civilization

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01:36:09,419 --> 01:36:07,239
starts out worshiping the Sun right

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01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:09,429
because they need it and they need that

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01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:11,710
rain and they need the Sun and they live

2127
01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:14,380
and die by the heavens and so to some

2128
01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:16,870
extent we are all I think in these early

2129
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:19,390
civilizations kind of you know anchored

2130
01:36:24,689 --> 01:36:22,330
to the Stars and just like today the

2131
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:24,699
stars are really mysterious you know if

2132
01:36:28,340 --> 01:36:26,260
you're if you are living in a pre I

2133
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:28,350
can't even get my head there but like

2134
01:36:35,490 --> 01:36:33,520
imagine living in an age where you don't

2135
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:35,500
even know what stars are the planets

2136
01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:37,210
just like a night somehow the sky turns

2137
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:38,920
into this crazy twinkling thing I mean

2138
01:36:42,780 --> 01:36:41,290
that's like mind-blowing right right I

2139
01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:42,790
could certainly get my head around the

2140
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:44,380
idea that that all of these

2141
01:36:48,750 --> 01:36:46,380
civilizations are just completely

2142
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:48,760
transfixed by this thing because when it

2143
01:36:52,860 --> 01:36:50,770
doesn't rain or when the Sun scorches

2144
01:36:55,620 --> 01:36:52,870
the earth and kills your crops it's over

2145
01:36:57,330 --> 01:36:55,630
you know so I mean that part of it makes

2146
01:37:00,839 --> 01:36:57,340
sense to me but it is also true

2147
01:37:02,490 --> 01:37:00,849
that you read about their connections

2148
01:37:04,050 --> 01:37:02,500
that these deities and these these

2149
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:04,060
things that come down from the heavens

2150
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:05,650
and then you get into this debate of

2151
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:07,570
like we'll wait is this an allegory is

2152
01:37:11,729 --> 01:37:08,650
this something that we're supposed to

2153
01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:11,739
interpret or they having some sort of

2154
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:14,230
actual experience here and that's where

2155
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,690
the fun lies because you know if they're

2156
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:18,639
having real experiences then yeah what

2157
01:37:24,750 --> 01:37:20,650
are we talking about here well now you

2158
01:37:28,290 --> 01:37:24,760
know you're in Egypt and you are around

2159
01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:28,300
all of this old Miss and you go to these

2160
01:37:34,649 --> 01:37:31,420
different whether it's you know the

2161
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:34,659
Cyrus temple whether you're an IDI foo

2162
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,330
or Abydos it doesn't matter where you

2163
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:40,239
luck sir for example or the Giza Plateau

2164
01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:45,250
and you look around that was done before

2165
01:37:52,169 --> 01:37:48,190
the fall of the civilizations as simple

2166
01:37:54,270 --> 01:37:52,179
as they they started off that great the

2167
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:54,280
are the best art is the oldest art the

2168
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:56,050
best carvings are the best sculpture the

2169
01:38:01,589 --> 01:37:58,090
best of everything is the oldest and

2170
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:01,599
then it degraded over time so how does a

2171
01:38:07,589 --> 01:38:04,090
culture rise out of the desert from

2172
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:07,599
Stone Age and then the next day start

2173
01:38:13,850 --> 01:38:10,719
this and and metallurgy and everything

2174
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:13,860
else that that came into play so quickly

2175
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:16,690
how does evolution how to mean oh no

2176
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:18,010
question I was at that I was at the

2177
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:20,290
pyramids two days ago and and you know I

2178
01:38:23,729 --> 01:38:22,570
always joke with my crew cuz we travel

2179
01:38:25,700 --> 01:38:23,739
all over the world this is like a slight

2180
01:38:28,410 --> 01:38:25,710
diversion but it's you know stay with me

2181
01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:28,420
okay you know we always joke like like

2182
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:30,280
what are the things in the world better

2183
01:38:33,450 --> 01:38:32,050
that are like postcard things things

2184
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:33,460
that you've seen images of your whole

2185
01:38:38,010 --> 01:38:35,590
life that when you get up in front of

2186
01:38:40,740 --> 01:38:38,020
them they either disappoint or they

2187
01:38:42,689 --> 01:38:40,750
exceed your expectations you know so

2188
01:38:44,370 --> 01:38:42,699
like for me one of the great sort of

2189
01:38:46,459 --> 01:38:44,380
disappointing things is the Hollywood

2190
01:38:48,839 --> 01:38:46,469
sign everyone sees the Hollywood sign in

2191
01:38:50,609 --> 01:38:48,849
movies it looks enormous and then when

2192
01:38:51,780 --> 01:38:50,619
you kind of go to LA and you say where's

2193
01:38:52,979 --> 01:38:51,790
the Hollywood sign and someone goes no

2194
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:52,989
it's up there on that hill and you sort

2195
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:54,760
of squint and you see it up there and

2196
01:38:58,169 --> 01:38:56,530
you're like wait that's it and you're

2197
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,179
like yeah you know so so certain things

2198
01:39:03,450 --> 01:38:59,920
that that that are really faint like the

2199
01:39:04,859 --> 01:39:03,460
Mona Lisa is really small in in in real

2200
01:39:06,899 --> 01:39:04,869
life so when you finally get in front of

2201
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,909
the Mona Lisa it's not this gigantic oil

2202
01:39:11,460 --> 01:39:08,560
painting that you kind of picture it's

2203
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:11,470
this very small painting behind you know

2204
01:39:15,690 --> 01:39:13,420
feet of bulletproof glass right and it's

2205
01:39:18,090 --> 01:39:15,700
kind of a lap down I think the pyramids

2206
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:18,100
are the ultimate thing that doesn't

2207
01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:20,290
disappoint they're bigger than you think

2208
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:22,120
they are they're grander than you think

2209
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:24,850
they are when you see them from afar you

2210
01:39:29,130 --> 01:39:27,250
go oh man that thing looks huge and as

2211
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:29,140
you walk closer and closer and closer

2212
01:39:33,620 --> 01:39:30,910
they just get bigger and bigger until

2213
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:33,630
you realize that each individual block

2214
01:39:38,460 --> 01:39:37,210
in some cases is taller than a person I

2215
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:38,470
mean they're they're gigantic

2216
01:39:43,110 --> 01:39:40,510
right and you know I was there a few

2217
01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:43,120
days ago and looking at the the Great

2218
01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:47,260
Pyramid of Khufu the the main one there

2219
01:39:53,610 --> 01:39:49,630
on the Giza Plateau the engineering of

2220
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,620
that pyramid is so precise that from end

2221
01:39:58,500 --> 01:39:56,080
to end you know along the square along

2222
01:40:00,840 --> 01:39:58,510
the base it's only off mathematically

2223
01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:00,850
incorrect in terms of its alignment by a

2224
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:02,710
matter of centimeters I think it's

2225
01:40:07,710 --> 01:40:05,530
almost perfect it's something that if we

2226
01:40:10,740 --> 01:40:07,720
hired the Army Corps of Engineers to

2227
01:40:13,380 --> 01:40:10,750
build today they would struggle and have

2228
01:40:15,450 --> 01:40:13,390
to really put some some brainpower and

2229
01:40:18,150 --> 01:40:15,460
modern engineering into getting

2230
01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:18,160
something to be so precise so the

2231
01:40:24,030 --> 01:40:19,990
question is really valid it's like how

2232
01:40:27,150 --> 01:40:24,040
on earth did you do this you know and

2233
01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:27,160
some people say well there are examples

2234
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:28,450
there's a thing called the bent pyramid

2235
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:30,250
which is a pyramid in a place called -

2236
01:40:35,370 --> 01:40:32,560
or in Egypt that they kind of messed up

2237
01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:35,380
you know about halfway up the angle

2238
01:40:40,530 --> 01:40:37,150
changes it looks like kind of a screw up

2239
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:40,540
pyramid but it's really one of the only

2240
01:40:44,370 --> 01:40:42,550
examples of that and so there are these

2241
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:44,380
like you know these quantum leaps and

2242
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:47,110
technology where they kind of seem like

2243
01:40:52,620 --> 01:40:49,690
it you know without too much fumbling

2244
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:52,630
they kind of make this enormous leap in

2245
01:40:57,930 --> 01:40:56,050
technology and look no question like

2246
01:41:00,510 --> 01:40:57,940
it's extraordinary they did things then

2247
01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:00,520
the sculpture is a big example I mean

2248
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:03,190
they carved things out of red granite

2249
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:05,530
like really difficult material to cars

2250
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:08,110
that we could not carve today there's

2251
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:10,510
not an artist alive today that could

2252
01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:11,770
carve some of the stuff that these

2253
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:14,200
people made four thousand five thousand

2254
01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:18,600
years ago which is insane yeah it when

2255
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:21,400
you look at a piece of granite red

2256
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:24,130
granite and you go up and you knock on

2257
01:41:28,620 --> 01:41:25,270
it with your knuckle

2258
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:28,630
and you realize this this stuff is this

2259
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:31,900
is this it's the real deal stop right

2260
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:34,330
and then you get the carving and you and

2261
01:41:39,420 --> 01:41:36,850
you are told well you know they did it

2262
01:41:43,950 --> 01:41:39,430
with you know chicken bones no they

2263
01:41:46,860 --> 01:41:43,960
didn't did not and it's before the

2264
01:41:50,010 --> 01:41:46,870
Bronze Age right or or during the Bronze

2265
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:50,020
Age it's it's an impossibility so I

2266
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:52,330
don't know I there's some genius that is

2267
01:41:57,300 --> 01:41:56,560
involved there have you been to Aswan no

2268
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:57,310
I haven't yet

2269
01:42:02,400 --> 01:41:59,440
unfortunately okay well as you know

2270
01:42:06,690 --> 01:42:02,410
they're they've got a hundred and fifty

2271
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,700
foot long obelisk that that has carved

2272
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:08,560
there right it weighs like 1,200 tons

2273
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,280
it's crazy

2274
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:11,440
they never ratted out but it's there now

2275
01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:13,960
it's it's half a football field long it

2276
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:17,320
weighs 1,200 tons and it's carved okay

2277
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:19,450
somehow they carved it great but they

2278
01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:21,130
were planning on moving this thing at

2279
01:42:29,610 --> 01:42:26,020
one point that's what's insane I was

2280
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:29,620
looking at here in Luxor we were at the

2281
01:42:34,230 --> 01:42:32,290
temple of karnak which is this

2282
01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:34,240
extraordinary temple complex here and

2283
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:36,580
one of the women that were studying in

2284
01:42:41,310 --> 01:42:39,010
this show a chap said who is this really

2285
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:41,320
mighty Queen she might come out arrow

2286
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:44,530
she was badass oh yeah total badass and

2287
01:42:49,110 --> 01:42:47,050
she had these twin obelisks that she

2288
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,120
erected one of them fell over the other

2289
01:42:52,890 --> 01:42:50,800
one is still standing and these are two

2290
01:42:55,140 --> 01:42:52,900
of the time of LaVista the one that's

2291
01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:55,150
still standing is one of if not the

2292
01:43:00,360 --> 01:42:57,820
tallest standing ancient obelisk and

2293
01:43:02,370 --> 01:43:00,370
it's over a hundred feet tall and you

2294
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:02,380
and you stand there and you stare at it

2295
01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:05,770
and you look up and you think wait how

2296
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:07,060
did they do this and they go well but

2297
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:08,560
you know pulleys in whoa is this like

2298
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:10,030
like this like really like primitive

2299
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:12,010
rope they would have use in this net and

2300
01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:14,620
you just kind of go if you gave me a

2301
01:43:18,150 --> 01:43:16,630
million dollars I couldn't lift this

2302
01:43:19,860 --> 01:43:18,160
thing off the ground with all of the

2303
01:43:21,330 --> 01:43:19,870
resources I would I would blow it I

2304
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:21,340
would drop it it I would destroy it

2305
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,440
there's no way that I could figure that

2306
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:25,360
out no and the fact that they got this

2307
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:26,770
thing up and standing and that it's

2308
01:43:30,180 --> 01:43:27,850
still standing

2309
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:30,190
thousands of years later is you know

2310
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:33,850
it's insane now the the concept of the

2311
01:43:38,819 --> 01:43:37,570
okay now as you stand in geese him

2312
01:43:41,729 --> 01:43:38,829
you're looking at the pier

2313
01:43:44,849 --> 01:43:41,739
that they allegedly it's was built in 20

2314
01:43:46,739 --> 01:43:44,859
650 BC okay I say allegedly because I

2315
01:43:49,739 --> 01:43:46,749
don't I don't subscribe to that thought

2316
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:49,749
it do you think there is a possibility

2317
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:53,679
remember you said Khufu there is nothing

2318
01:43:58,919 --> 01:43:55,689
on that pyramid that says Khufu there's

2319
01:44:01,139 --> 01:43:58,929
a there's a script above the King's

2320
01:44:04,469 --> 01:44:01,149
Chamber right and you know up above

2321
01:44:06,839 --> 01:44:04,479
right that they call it the graffiti and

2322
01:44:07,589 --> 01:44:06,849
it says Khufu well that you know that's

2323
01:44:10,770 --> 01:44:07,599
a forgery

2324
01:44:14,299 --> 01:44:10,780
so there's but if you were Khufu right

2325
01:44:17,459 --> 01:44:14,309
if you were Josh gates you built that

2326
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:17,469
isn't your dinero Josh right right isn't

2327
01:44:25,529 --> 01:44:21,760
your name carved in stone somewhere all

2328
01:44:28,979 --> 01:44:25,539
over the place in in in neon letters any

2329
01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:28,989
other letters right so I think that they

2330
01:44:33,869 --> 01:44:31,329
inherited those do you think that

2331
01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:33,879
there's a possibility that they simply

2332
01:44:38,909 --> 01:44:36,070
you know that the Egyptians did not

2333
01:44:40,919 --> 01:44:38,919
build them that another culture did and

2334
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,929
they you know when they when the

2335
01:44:45,329 --> 01:44:43,119
dynastic period started well they just

2336
01:44:48,299 --> 01:44:45,339
inherited those things and that's why

2337
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,309
there is nothing that says Khufu there

2338
01:44:53,849 --> 01:44:50,800
or Mancari or whatever else you want to

2339
01:44:56,969 --> 01:44:53,859
write right I mean look that's an

2340
01:44:58,319 --> 01:44:56,979
awesome it's an awesome idea but the

2341
01:44:59,729 --> 01:44:58,329
thing about the Egyptians I was joking

2342
01:45:01,919 --> 01:44:59,739
with somebody here yesterday it's like

2343
01:45:03,389 --> 01:45:01,929
the Egyptians invented bureaucracy right

2344
01:45:06,810 --> 01:45:03,399
they invented paper for the sole purpose

2345
01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:06,820
of just recording you know bills and

2346
01:45:10,829 --> 01:45:08,260
Ledger's and and all these kind of

2347
01:45:14,250 --> 01:45:10,839
things so you know the Egyptians left us

2348
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,260
a lot of compelling information about

2349
01:45:19,290 --> 01:45:16,719
their culture right so we know that they

2350
01:45:21,899 --> 01:45:19,300
were obsessed with death we know they

2351
01:45:23,579 --> 01:45:21,909
were obsessed with this idea that in

2352
01:45:26,099 --> 01:45:23,589
order to get into the afterlife you had

2353
01:45:27,810 --> 01:45:26,109
to do these really really complex things

2354
01:45:30,179 --> 01:45:27,820
you had to build these monuments you to

2355
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:30,189
protect your mummy you had to put all

2356
01:45:33,810 --> 01:45:32,169
you to a bomb yourself and put all these

2357
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:33,820
things with you for this journey

2358
01:45:38,909 --> 01:45:36,489
so we know that that they built a lot of

2359
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:38,919
these crazy things that they built as

2360
01:45:44,279 --> 01:45:41,530
part of this kind of obsession with with

2361
01:45:47,339 --> 01:45:44,289
death and with the afterlife you are

2362
01:45:51,239 --> 01:45:47,349
right though that the pyramids have a

2363
01:45:52,049 --> 01:45:51,249
kind of mysteriousness to them not just

2364
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:52,059
because of their shape and their

2365
01:45:55,620 --> 01:45:52,690
engineering

2366
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:55,630
their size but you're right there there

2367
01:45:59,640 --> 01:45:58,719
is not a lot of inscriptions inside that

2368
01:46:03,270 --> 01:45:59,650
Great Pyramid and they ultimately

2369
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:03,280
abandoned making pyramids you know some

2370
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:04,630
would say it's just it was too much work

2371
01:46:08,430 --> 01:46:06,850
to continue making these things and so

2372
01:46:11,670 --> 01:46:08,440
they switched over to two tombs and

2373
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:11,680
stuff but you know you're right it's not

2374
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:15,040
plastered in in hieroglyphs for the for

2375
01:46:18,180 --> 01:46:16,239
the Pharaoh that it was built for in

2376
01:46:20,970 --> 01:46:18,190
fact it's strangely kind of blank and

2377
01:46:23,670 --> 01:46:20,980
when you go inside of it it's strangely

2378
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:23,680
blank for a building that is so complex

2379
01:46:30,900 --> 01:46:27,840
yeah and when you look at all of the

2380
01:46:33,180 --> 01:46:30,910
unbelievable carvings and artwork that

2381
01:46:36,150 --> 01:46:33,190
is you know throughout the valley of the

2382
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:36,160
kings well there you go that's what they

2383
01:46:41,700 --> 01:46:38,800
did to celebrate the afterlife and the

2384
01:46:44,490 --> 01:46:41,710
life of these pharaohs and you know

2385
01:46:46,860 --> 01:46:44,500
kings queens and children it's all there

2386
01:46:49,890 --> 01:46:46,870
but the greatest of the greatest is a

2387
01:46:52,459 --> 01:46:49,900
blank slate and I just I have difficulty

2388
01:46:56,189 --> 01:46:52,469
with that I I don't understand Wally

2389
01:46:58,650 --> 01:46:56,199
where was I was actually going somewhere

2390
01:47:02,550 --> 01:46:58,660
next with that

2391
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:02,560
oh is it which is this there is you know

2392
01:47:07,860 --> 01:47:04,270
we know about the rosetta stone and

2393
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:07,870
between the Sphinx pause is is that

2394
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:12,370
stone that is there but there is an

2395
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:16,690
inventory stone on the Giza Plateau that

2396
01:47:23,490 --> 01:47:20,320
right now is encased in a steel cage and

2397
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:23,500
it is sealed from the public that that

2398
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:28,000
stone was carved by Khufu and it's an

2399
01:47:34,170 --> 01:47:29,890
inventory that's what it is that's

2400
01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:34,180
what's on there in in that he says he is

2401
01:47:41,900 --> 01:47:38,760
there to repair the pyramids

2402
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:41,910
he doesn't say he's there to build them

2403
01:47:46,650 --> 01:47:45,010
but they can't destroy this stone it's

2404
01:47:48,780 --> 01:47:46,660
huge - by the way it's like you know

2405
01:47:51,450 --> 01:47:48,790
it's 8 feet tall is 2 feet thick it's

2406
01:47:53,670 --> 01:47:51,460
granite but they keep that from the

2407
01:47:56,970 --> 01:47:53,680
public and it's sealed up in a steel box

2408
01:48:00,330 --> 01:47:56,980
and again it makes me wonder why they

2409
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,340
are trying to hide our history is there

2410
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,080
something that they know that they don't

2411
01:48:05,729 --> 01:48:04,239
want us to know because it is going to

2412
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:05,739
change the paradigm of

2413
01:48:11,220 --> 01:48:08,890
of egyptologist and and in our very own

2414
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:11,230
history of where we got our start what

2415
01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:12,430
do you think about that why would they

2416
01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:14,620
hide that stone from us have you seen it

2417
01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:16,420
have you seen the steel box that it sits

2418
01:48:20,910 --> 01:48:19,420
in I haven't seen it III know you're

2419
01:48:22,620 --> 01:48:20,920
talking about the inventory Stella or

2420
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,630
the inventory stone right and which

2421
01:48:26,490 --> 01:48:24,480
which I think they found there I was a

2422
01:48:28,110 --> 01:48:26,500
1880 hundreds or something it was

2423
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:28,120
originally discovered that's right um

2424
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:32,890
but but it is it is true that well first

2425
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:33,910
of all I don't have an answer to the

2426
01:48:37,410 --> 01:48:35,590
question I don't know why they would

2427
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,420
hide that and that that to me becomes

2428
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:40,239
part of the the issue with some of the

2429
01:48:43,170 --> 01:48:41,650
ancient alien stuff is I kind of

2430
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:43,180
struggled to go well what's the point of

2431
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:44,530
keeping this a secret I mean does it

2432
01:48:49,650 --> 01:48:47,920
really make anything less cool if if

2433
01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:49,660
Khufu didn't build the pyramid and it

2434
01:48:55,979 --> 01:48:52,390
doesn't really hurt Egyptian you know

2435
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:55,989
the history or or tourism or any I mean

2436
01:48:58,770 --> 01:48:57,610
to me that's like incredible why

2437
01:49:00,479 --> 01:48:58,780
wouldn't you announce that so that

2438
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:00,489
question to me is one I don't really

2439
01:49:04,260 --> 01:49:02,530
have an answer for but it is true that

2440
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:04,270
even you know we were at the Sphinx a

2441
01:49:09,209 --> 01:49:07,600
few days ago filming and there's so much

2442
01:49:11,220 --> 01:49:09,219
they don't really understand about the

2443
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:11,230
Sphinx and they say well we think the

2444
01:49:14,190 --> 01:49:13,210
face is maybe the face of Khufu because

2445
01:49:15,660 --> 01:49:14,200
it's sort of right in front of this

2446
01:49:17,190 --> 01:49:15,670
pyramid it leads up there and it's from

2447
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:17,200
around the same time period people think

2448
01:49:22,140 --> 01:49:19,570
but it's all kind of conjecture like

2449
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,150
it's a very strange sculpture that

2450
01:49:27,150 --> 01:49:24,400
people really don't understand and so

2451
01:49:29,580 --> 01:49:27,160
there is a lot about this stuff whether

2452
01:49:32,250 --> 01:49:29,590
you're a skeptic or not that simply is

2453
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:32,260
not known and there's no question that

2454
01:49:36,209 --> 01:49:34,780
that when it comes to Khufu when it

2455
01:49:39,390 --> 01:49:36,219
comes to the pyramid when it comes to

2456
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:39,400
the Sphinx there's a lot of blank spaces

2457
01:49:44,090 --> 01:49:41,410
that archeologists have to kind of fill

2458
01:49:49,380 --> 01:49:44,100
in to make it all fit together when you

2459
01:49:51,660 --> 01:49:49,390
does the does the Sphinx and the age of

2460
01:49:53,790 --> 01:49:51,670
everything around there does it match to

2461
01:49:55,890 --> 01:49:53,800
you I mean I'm talking about your

2462
01:49:58,620 --> 01:49:55,900
eyeballs are you looking at something

2463
01:50:01,620 --> 01:49:58,630
that is consistent or do you think that

2464
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:01,630
maybe it's true that the Sphinx was

2465
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:03,550
built you know seven eight nine thousand

2466
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:06,930
years prior to its current dating I

2467
01:50:13,770 --> 01:50:11,890
don't I mean I kind of struggled to

2468
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:13,780
think that something could be that that

2469
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:16,330
the Sphinx could be that much older than

2470
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:18,370
than what's around that I mean most of

2471
01:50:21,899 --> 01:50:19,510
the Sphinx has carved

2472
01:50:23,310 --> 01:50:21,909
out of bedrock it's it's sort of carved

2473
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,320
out of the stone that's sitting right

2474
01:50:28,140 --> 01:50:25,840
there the line so the one thing about it

2475
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:28,150
yeah that the limestone bedrock that's

2476
01:50:32,819 --> 01:50:30,489
that's there it's it's karma it's carved

2477
01:50:34,529 --> 01:50:32,829
right out of that and so you can sort of

2478
01:50:38,850 --> 01:50:34,539
see how it connects to the things around

2479
01:50:40,620 --> 01:50:38,860
it and so I you know to me the idea

2480
01:50:42,689 --> 01:50:40,630
that's seven eight thousand years older

2481
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,699
than it's meant to be strains me a

2482
01:50:47,609 --> 01:50:44,800
little bit to kind of put that together

2483
01:50:49,770 --> 01:50:47,619
no I mean I look them the materials that

2484
01:50:53,009 --> 01:50:49,780
everything is built out of is right for

2485
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,019
the period we know that they were the

2486
01:50:56,189 --> 01:50:54,639
way that they're quarrying this material

2487
01:50:57,839 --> 01:50:56,199
is is clear to us the way they're

2488
01:50:58,379 --> 01:50:57,849
they're forming these structures is

2489
01:51:00,089 --> 01:50:58,389
clear

2490
01:51:02,700 --> 01:51:00,099
it's the scope and scale of an

2491
01:51:05,299 --> 01:51:02,710
engineering of it all especially when it

2492
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,309
comes to the pyramid that really kind of

2493
01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:07,840
boggles the mind you know in terms of

2494
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:08,590
the rest of it

2495
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:10,690
in terms of the sort of dating of the

2496
01:51:15,390 --> 01:51:13,090
rest of it or the technology in the

2497
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,400
structures that they're using that all

2498
01:51:19,259 --> 01:51:17,679
kind of fits but when you go inside the

2499
01:51:20,910 --> 01:51:19,269
Great Pyramid for instance and you see

2500
01:51:23,879 --> 01:51:20,920
the vaulting and the ceiling of how it's

2501
01:51:25,529 --> 01:51:23,889
all dispersing pressure and keeping you

2502
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:25,539
know these chambers from collapsing in

2503
01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:27,730
on themselves I mean nothing looks more

2504
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:29,260
like an alien spaceship than the inside

2505
01:51:33,899 --> 01:51:31,599
of the Great Pyramid yeah no it it

2506
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:33,909
really looks like something that you

2507
01:51:39,629 --> 01:51:36,610
could not imagine people building today

2508
01:51:43,529 --> 01:51:39,639
let alone you know five thousand four

2509
01:51:45,149 --> 01:51:43,539
thousand years ago when and I'm so glad

2510
01:51:46,589 --> 01:51:45,159
that you touched upon this because you

2511
01:51:47,819 --> 01:51:46,599
can look at the carvings you can look at

2512
01:51:49,529 --> 01:51:47,829
the fit you can look at the Ramses

2513
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:49,539
statue in the face and go wow that's

2514
01:51:55,759 --> 01:51:52,090
amazing how did they do that but I want

2515
01:51:58,979 --> 01:51:55,769
to back it up one step it's the coring

2516
01:52:01,229 --> 01:51:58,989
right there it now now we have to talk

2517
01:52:05,339 --> 01:52:01,239
about chopping these blocks out of a

2518
01:52:08,129 --> 01:52:05,349
core a quarry a you know 10 20 30 40 a

2519
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:08,139
hundred tons out of whack and then

2520
01:52:16,379 --> 01:52:11,760
transporting those five hundred miles at

2521
01:52:20,220 --> 01:52:16,389
3,000 BC right 2600 BC when they did not

2522
01:52:23,609 --> 01:52:20,230
have steel they did not have steel they

2523
01:52:26,370 --> 01:52:23,619
had wood and maybe stone hammers and

2524
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:26,380
hemp ropes they didn't have trees they

2525
01:52:32,129 --> 01:52:29,010
didn't have that stuff to roll you know

2526
01:52:34,979 --> 01:52:32,139
they didn't have barges

2527
01:52:37,290 --> 01:52:34,989
so that's that's where that's where I

2528
01:52:39,390 --> 01:52:37,300
have to just stop and go wait a minute I

2529
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:39,400
need somebody really to explain this to

2530
01:52:45,330 --> 01:52:41,770
me because your version of the story is

2531
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:45,340
not making sense to me it yeah I think I

2532
01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:47,170
think I think for me the one the one

2533
01:52:52,399 --> 01:52:49,960
part of all that that's like the the

2534
01:52:56,220 --> 01:52:52,409
thing that we always kind of discount is

2535
01:52:58,859 --> 01:52:56,230
the power of masses of people I mean the

2536
01:53:00,330 --> 01:52:58,869
the number of human bodies involved in

2537
01:53:02,459 --> 01:53:00,340
working with this stuff

2538
01:53:04,050 --> 01:53:02,469
is probably on a magnitude that we that

2539
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:04,060
we can't even really get our heads

2540
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:07,570
around I mean there are there is a kind

2541
01:53:14,490 --> 01:53:11,440
of record of them being moved and

2542
01:53:17,609 --> 01:53:14,500
quarried a korede and and and moved you

2543
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:17,619
know up and down the Nile I mean at in

2544
01:53:22,109 --> 01:53:19,810
in some of the mortuary temples you see

2545
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,119
these inscriptions and these hieroglyphs

2546
01:53:27,359 --> 01:53:25,360
that show these huge stone blocks and

2547
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:27,369
obelisks in some cases like a substance

2548
01:53:31,890 --> 01:53:29,530
obelisk we see it lashed to a boat and

2549
01:53:33,780 --> 01:53:31,900
we see people moving it and that your

2550
01:53:35,729 --> 01:53:33,790
head kind of explodes thinking about how

2551
01:53:39,540 --> 01:53:35,739
could something that weighs hundreds of

2552
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:39,550
tons I mean even be moved to a boat let

2553
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:42,010
alone be put onto a boat and floated up

2554
01:53:48,780 --> 01:53:45,760
a river I mean seeing these obelisks and

2555
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:48,790
seeing these these blocks in person it

2556
01:53:53,970 --> 01:53:51,610
totally strains my mind to understand it

2557
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:53,980
but there is kind of a record of it

2558
01:53:57,450 --> 01:53:56,080
happening it's just something that I

2559
01:53:59,040 --> 01:53:57,460
mean I would love to see somebody try to

2560
01:54:02,129 --> 01:53:59,050
do it today I would love to see somebody

2561
01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:02,139
take one of these granite you know

2562
01:54:05,300 --> 01:54:03,790
blocks that was used to make one of

2563
01:54:07,290 --> 01:54:05,310
these monumental statues of Ramses

2564
01:54:09,209 --> 01:54:07,300
quarry it from where it was meant to be

2565
01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:09,219
quarried put it on a barge using ancient

2566
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:11,590
technology and get it up the Nile I

2567
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:13,690
think it would probably not even make it

2568
01:54:18,780 --> 01:54:16,350
down to the water before you know I know

2569
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:18,790
look before it's sank into the sand I

2570
01:54:24,270 --> 01:54:21,850
think about the displacement that you

2571
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:24,280
would need on a barge for a you know a

2572
01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:27,489
50 ton block that wouldn't sink now

2573
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:30,400
we're talking about ancient history here

2574
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:34,840
not modern dives what kind of boat did

2575
01:54:41,070 --> 01:54:37,690
they have that would not sink with a

2576
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:41,080
hundred ton 50 ton block in it just like

2577
01:54:47,490 --> 01:54:45,520
you said earlier you know a hundred foot

2578
01:54:50,490 --> 01:54:47,500
obelisk now we're talking about a

2579
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:50,500
hundred foot boat minimum with the

2580
01:54:56,900 --> 01:54:53,410
displacement to handle you know fifty a

2581
01:54:59,070 --> 01:54:56,910
hundred tons of granite in one whack I

2582
01:55:02,430 --> 01:54:59,080
just I don't know I need somebody to

2583
01:55:03,630 --> 01:55:02,440
explain it to me no I mean it's really

2584
01:55:05,580 --> 01:55:03,640
interesting that you bring it up I was

2585
01:55:08,580 --> 01:55:05,590
staring literally yesterday I was

2586
01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:08,590
staring at at hatshepsut's mortuary

2587
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:10,870
temple I was staring at this inscription

2588
01:55:16,050 --> 01:55:13,360
this this wall that that shows her

2589
01:55:17,970 --> 01:55:16,060
obelisk being moved down the Nile and

2590
01:55:19,770 --> 01:55:17,980
you see it on its side it's clearly her

2591
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:19,780
obelisk you can you can see what it's

2592
01:55:25,140 --> 01:55:22,000
meant to be and it's sitting on top of

2593
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:25,150
this rectangle you know and it's sitting

2594
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:26,650
on top of this rectangle that's meant to

2595
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:28,090
be a boat or a barge and then you

2596
01:55:31,260 --> 01:55:29,920
beneath that you see people rowing and

2597
01:55:33,690 --> 01:55:31,270
South and you look at it and you go I

2598
01:55:35,220 --> 01:55:33,700
don't get it you know not not good

2599
01:55:36,810 --> 01:55:35,230
enough I need to see more give me a

2600
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:36,820
three-dimensional image what does this

2601
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:39,730
thing look like yeah it's totally crazy

2602
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:41,530
yeah let's take a break right here Josh

2603
01:55:44,970 --> 01:55:43,450
and when we come back I actually want to

2604
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:44,980
have fun we'll take a little bit of a

2605
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:47,170
break off of this because I want to talk

2606
01:55:51,180 --> 01:55:48,730
about some of the favorite things that

2607
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:51,190
you have done your favorite episodes

2608
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:53,290
things that have blown your mind and

2609
01:55:58,050 --> 01:55:55,360
we'll take a trip down memory lane okay

2610
01:55:59,400 --> 01:55:58,060
how does that sound sounds great let's

2611
01:56:01,260 --> 01:55:59,410
do it Josh gates

2612
01:56:02,910 --> 01:56:01,270
live from Luxor this is fade to black

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01:56:03,450 --> 01:56:02,920
I'm miss Jimmy Church we'll be right

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01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:03,460
back

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01:56:05,660 --> 01:56:03,850
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[Music]

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02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:27,179
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:29,010
Jimmy Church tonight our guest Josh

2702
02:00:34,129 --> 02:00:32,010
gates expedition unknown he's live with

2703
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:34,139
us from Luxor Egypt

2704
02:00:40,580 --> 02:00:36,320
fascinating conversation tonight and

2705
02:00:44,810 --> 02:00:40,590
Josh I wanted to go to some of your

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02:00:47,689 --> 02:00:44,820
favorite experiences and and stuff but

2707
02:00:52,780 --> 02:00:47,699
before I get there I wanted to read this

2708
02:00:55,100 --> 02:00:52,790
to you this was just released and it

2709
02:00:59,000 --> 02:00:55,110
I'll send it to you by the way and you

2710
02:01:02,689 --> 02:00:59,010
can check it out but it's it's a Danish

2711
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:02,699
Explorer from 1737 his name is Frederick

2712
02:01:10,180 --> 02:01:06,690
Norden and Ord and and he was an

2713
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:10,190
explorer went out and made maps of geesa

2714
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:12,810
and observation and drawings of

2715
02:01:17,930 --> 02:01:15,920
everything around him in Egypt right

2716
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:17,940
monuments and architecture and

2717
02:01:23,300 --> 02:01:20,730
installation and he mapped everything so

2718
02:01:26,260 --> 02:01:23,310
he does this map of Giza and are you

2719
02:01:30,709 --> 02:01:26,270
ready for this it's got four pyramids

2720
02:01:33,620 --> 02:01:30,719
for in in a row and this was his

2721
02:01:35,450 --> 02:01:33,630
description of the Giza Plateau now

2722
02:01:37,609 --> 02:01:35,460
check this out this is right there on

2723
02:01:40,669 --> 02:01:37,619
the map he says the principal pyramids

2724
02:01:42,649 --> 02:01:40,679
are to the east southeast of Giza there

2725
02:01:44,689 --> 02:01:42,659
are four of them that deserve the

2726
02:01:46,970 --> 02:01:44,699
greatest attention of the curious for

2727
02:01:48,379 --> 02:01:46,980
though we see seven or eight others in

2728
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:48,389
the neighborhood they are nothing in

2729
02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:50,880
comparison to the former the two most

2730
02:01:55,790 --> 02:01:53,070
northerly pyramids are the greatest and

2731
02:01:58,209 --> 02:01:55,800
have 500 feet perpendicular height the

2732
02:02:01,100 --> 02:01:58,219
two others are much less but have some

2733
02:02:04,070 --> 02:02:01,110
features which on occasion must be

2734
02:02:05,899 --> 02:02:04,080
examined and admired now he goes on to

2735
02:02:09,229 --> 02:02:05,909
the fourth pyramid I'm gonna go forward

2736
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:09,239
here he says which seems to have served

2737
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:11,040
as a pedestal he's talking about the

2738
02:02:15,950 --> 02:02:13,440
fourth pyramid the fourth pyramid has

2739
02:02:20,479 --> 02:02:15,960
been made upwards above the middle of a

2740
02:02:23,870 --> 02:02:20,489
stone more black than common granite and

2741
02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:23,880
at least as hard its summit is of a

2742
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:27,030
yellowish stone I shall speak elsewhere

2743
02:02:34,250 --> 02:02:31,050
of its top which terminates in a cube it

2744
02:02:36,140 --> 02:02:34,260
is moreover situated out of line of the

2745
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:36,150
others being more too

2746
02:02:44,479 --> 02:02:39,330
the West it makes a series with the

2747
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:44,489
other three yeah isn't that nuts and you

2748
02:02:48,860 --> 02:02:47,250
look at the map and it's it's it's you

2749
02:02:53,479 --> 02:02:48,870
know it's got everything here the Sphinx

2750
02:02:54,919 --> 02:02:53,489
and its 1737 yes Wow I've never heard

2751
02:02:56,899 --> 02:02:54,929
that account yeah that's amazing yeah

2752
02:02:58,640 --> 02:02:56,909
I'll send it to you I'll send it to you

2753
02:03:02,209 --> 02:02:58,650
right after the show tonight so it's a

2754
02:03:05,110 --> 02:03:02,219
fascinating map to look at okay let's uh

2755
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:05,120
you're a big guy how tall are you

2756
02:03:11,740 --> 02:03:08,610
six - how and what's your weight you're

2757
02:03:15,410 --> 02:03:11,750
big dude tell us big dude I don't know a

2758
02:03:19,220 --> 02:03:15,420
242 for knobbly okay I don't think

2759
02:03:22,430 --> 02:03:19,230
anything intimidates you right I don't

2760
02:03:24,590 --> 02:03:22,440
know maybe maybe right exact good answer

2761
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:24,600
that's a good answer

2762
02:03:32,899 --> 02:03:28,080
what what was the one time where Josh

2763
02:03:36,169 --> 02:03:32,909
gates was scared the one time I'm giving

2764
02:03:38,030 --> 02:03:36,179
me a lot of credit here okay good no I

2765
02:03:40,700 --> 02:03:38,040
mean look the whole premise of

2766
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:40,710
expedition unknown and of end of

2767
02:03:45,979 --> 02:03:44,010
Destination Truth is really to go out

2768
02:03:48,350 --> 02:03:45,989
into the unknown and investigate these

2769
02:03:51,620 --> 02:03:48,360
stories and this show anyone who's ever

2770
02:03:53,780 --> 02:03:51,630
worked on this show will tell you it's

2771
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:53,790
not faked it's not pre produced we don't

2772
02:03:57,290 --> 02:03:55,710
know what's gonna happen you know I mean

2773
02:03:58,760 --> 02:03:57,300
look I make sure I've got a visa to go

2774
02:04:00,500 --> 02:03:58,770
to the country I'm going to if I want to

2775
02:04:02,180 --> 02:04:00,510
interview an expert we make sure to meet

2776
02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:02,190
that person ahead of time and make sure

2777
02:04:05,780 --> 02:04:04,320
they're gonna be there that day but when

2778
02:04:08,689 --> 02:04:05,790
we go into the jungles or we go into

2779
02:04:10,459 --> 02:04:08,699
these tombs or these you know places

2780
02:04:11,540 --> 02:04:10,469
that we go we genuinely don't know

2781
02:04:13,490 --> 02:04:11,550
what's gonna happen so there have been a

2782
02:04:16,010 --> 02:04:13,500
ton of instances over the last I don't

2783
02:04:18,740 --> 02:04:16,020
know 10 years of doing this where things

2784
02:04:20,510 --> 02:04:18,750
have completely gone in ways I never

2785
02:04:22,700 --> 02:04:20,520
thought that we're going to go we've had

2786
02:04:25,370 --> 02:04:22,710
all sorts of crazy mishaps I mean I I

2787
02:04:27,860 --> 02:04:25,380
think for me one of the most memorable

2788
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:27,870
that that I that I you know always

2789
02:04:32,750 --> 02:04:30,570
remember is we we had this mishap in

2790
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:32,760
Romania where I was flying in an old

2791
02:04:38,570 --> 02:04:35,610
plane and the roof ripped off the plane

2792
02:04:41,959 --> 02:04:38,580
during flight you know this was this old

2793
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:41,969
Russian Soviet biplane and I was sitting

2794
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:43,440
up in the cockpit with the captain and

2795
02:04:46,129 --> 02:04:44,880
the rest of the crew was in the back of

2796
02:04:50,140 --> 02:04:46,139
the plane it's pretty big plane actually

2797
02:04:51,790 --> 02:04:50,150
and then suddenly I was outdoors

2798
02:04:53,260 --> 02:04:51,800
Oh which you know that's the sign of a

2799
02:04:54,490 --> 02:04:53,270
bad flight right if you're like in a

2800
02:04:56,770 --> 02:04:54,500
plane and then suddenly you're like oh

2801
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:56,780
I'm outside you know that's that's not

2802
02:05:01,959 --> 02:04:58,880
good oh man

2803
02:05:04,180 --> 02:05:01,969
yeah I wouldn't you know I want to say

2804
02:05:06,729 --> 02:05:04,190
something really colorful here I can't

2805
02:05:10,689 --> 02:05:06,739
we're live on the radio but it was one

2806
02:05:11,410 --> 02:05:10,699
of those moments wasn't it yeah yeah it

2807
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:11,420
really was

2808
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:13,520
I feed not not good it was it was

2809
02:05:17,620 --> 02:05:14,960
terrifying you know and we've had all

2810
02:05:19,209 --> 02:05:17,630
sorts of you know wildlife run-ins and

2811
02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:19,219
and you know really close calls with

2812
02:05:22,990 --> 02:05:21,110
snakes and things like that in fact in

2813
02:05:24,610 --> 02:05:23,000
an episode wit that we filmed for this

2814
02:05:27,669 --> 02:05:24,620
current season that hasn't aired yet I

2815
02:05:29,110 --> 02:05:27,679
was sitting in a in a jungle talking to

2816
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:29,120
an archaeologist we were sitting on the

2817
02:05:34,990 --> 02:05:32,810
step of a pyramid in the jungles of

2818
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:35,000
Guatemala and I'm sitting there talking

2819
02:05:39,790 --> 02:05:37,070
to him and we're you know just chatting

2820
02:05:41,919 --> 02:05:39,800
along and my camera guy thank God just

2821
02:05:43,419 --> 02:05:41,929
screams out snakes thank and there is a

2822
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:43,429
there is a fer-de-lance which is a

2823
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:45,050
really aggressive dangerous snake you

2824
02:05:49,090 --> 02:05:46,460
were in Panama they have you oh yeah oh

2825
02:05:50,979 --> 02:05:49,100
yeah they're they're famous down there

2826
02:05:53,620 --> 02:05:50,989
there was a friend and they're you know

2827
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:53,630
most makes are not aggressive they they

2828
02:05:57,790 --> 02:05:55,850
even the really dangerous ones it's

2829
02:05:59,439 --> 02:05:57,800
pretty rare for them to kind of come at

2830
02:06:01,390 --> 02:05:59,449
you fertile lances are these weird

2831
02:06:03,729 --> 02:06:01,400
snakes that like want to throw down and

2832
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:03,739
are often will sort chase you down in a

2833
02:06:09,729 --> 02:06:07,010
way right and this snake was cruising

2834
02:06:11,979 --> 02:06:09,739
down the stairs of this pyramid right

2835
02:06:14,290 --> 02:06:11,989
toward me and this guy just you know

2836
02:06:15,550 --> 02:06:14,300
pissed off that we were in its in its it

2837
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:15,560
was probably living somewhere up in

2838
02:06:19,390 --> 02:06:17,810
those stairs right and jumped up and

2839
02:06:21,459 --> 02:06:19,400
jumped out of the way right as this

2840
02:06:23,470 --> 02:06:21,469
thing was was you know getting to us so

2841
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:23,480
you know there's been a lot of moments

2842
02:06:26,770 --> 02:06:24,890
over the years to the show that that

2843
02:06:28,959 --> 02:06:26,780
have been really shocking and surprising

2844
02:06:30,970 --> 02:06:28,969
and we've certainly had a lot of close

2845
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:30,980
calls I've got a question here in

2846
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:34,400
Twitter they want to know if you've ever

2847
02:06:45,899 --> 02:06:40,210
had a chemical or other type of

2848
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:45,909
experience out there you know some

2849
02:06:50,860 --> 02:06:48,290
hallucinogenic maybe ayahuasca or

2850
02:06:52,689 --> 02:06:50,870
anything like that in the jungles no

2851
02:06:54,100 --> 02:06:52,699
we've we've talked about it a number of

2852
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:54,110
times there have been a couple of

2853
02:06:58,209 --> 02:06:56,000
cultures where that's been a part of the

2854
02:07:00,399 --> 02:06:58,219
story even the Nazca people in in Peru

2855
02:07:02,530 --> 02:07:00,409
there's a lot of evidence that they may

2856
02:07:04,089 --> 02:07:02,540
have used hallucinogens but we've never

2857
02:07:05,439 --> 02:07:04,099
done it you know I mean one of the

2858
02:07:06,939 --> 02:07:05,449
reasons we've never done it is it's hard

2859
02:07:08,199 --> 02:07:06,949
to do on television you know I'm you're

2860
02:07:11,859 --> 02:07:08,209
talking about taking some pretty heavy

2861
02:07:13,810 --> 02:07:11,869
drugs but the other reason is that you

2862
02:07:15,849 --> 02:07:13,820
know ayahuasca in particular it's a

2863
02:07:18,189 --> 02:07:15,859
pretty debilitating experience from what

2864
02:07:20,799 --> 02:07:18,199
I understand for you know you're talking

2865
02:07:22,330 --> 02:07:20,809
about 1216 hours of kind of going

2866
02:07:24,279 --> 02:07:22,340
through this thing right and I'm a

2867
02:07:26,649 --> 02:07:24,289
television production it's like you know

2868
02:07:27,869 --> 02:07:26,659
I mean people literally like who take

2869
02:07:30,310 --> 02:07:27,879
this stuff they're just totally

2870
02:07:31,389 --> 02:07:30,320
debilitated I mean you read stories

2871
02:07:33,219 --> 02:07:31,399
about people throwing up all over

2872
02:07:36,759 --> 02:07:33,229
themselves going to the bathroom all

2873
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:36,769
over themselves right so it's just

2874
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:38,090
something that we've never really been

2875
02:07:42,099 --> 02:07:40,159
able to do it's it's it's sensitive

2876
02:07:43,479 --> 02:07:42,109
stuff to kind of do that in a television

2877
02:07:45,790 --> 02:07:43,489
landscape and have a network that has

2878
02:07:47,229 --> 02:07:45,800
advertisers and you know it looks like

2879
02:07:48,189 --> 02:07:47,239
you're promoting drug use a bit so it's

2880
02:07:50,259 --> 02:07:48,199
always been something that's been hard

2881
02:07:53,229 --> 02:07:50,269
for us to approach right it's also those

2882
02:07:55,839 --> 02:07:53,239
something that is totally integral to a

2883
02:07:57,429 --> 02:07:55,849
lot of these cultures and you know it's

2884
02:07:59,529 --> 02:07:57,439
not some party drug that people are

2885
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,539
doing it's something that that is is a

2886
02:08:02,830 --> 02:08:01,280
big part of the history these cultures

2887
02:08:04,989 --> 02:08:02,840
I'm certainly open to it it's something

2888
02:08:08,739 --> 02:08:04,999
I've always wanted to especially those

2889
02:08:11,439 --> 02:08:08,749
kind of medicinal and of ancient things

2890
02:08:12,909 --> 02:08:11,449
like ayahuasca I would love to

2891
02:08:15,609 --> 02:08:12,919
understand that experience I just

2892
02:08:17,169 --> 02:08:15,619
haven't done it yet so stay tuned maybe

2893
02:08:18,399 --> 02:08:17,179
soon maybe in my next series I'll just

2894
02:08:20,770 --> 02:08:18,409
be going around the world taking drugs

2895
02:08:24,879 --> 02:08:20,780
yeah yeah I know I'm in the same boat I

2896
02:08:27,549 --> 02:08:24,889
haven't done it and the curiosity is

2897
02:08:30,819 --> 02:08:27,559
there my paranoia is what if I didn't

2898
02:08:33,489 --> 02:08:30,829
come back that's that's that's you know

2899
02:08:35,259 --> 02:08:33,499
that's that's that's my core that's like

2900
02:08:37,299 --> 02:08:35,269
yeah or or that you're like five minutes

2901
02:08:39,399 --> 02:08:37,309
in and and instead of having this like

2902
02:08:40,719 --> 02:08:39,409
magical experience where you find your

2903
02:08:42,849 --> 02:08:40,729
spirit animal you're like covered in

2904
02:08:48,219 --> 02:08:42,859
tarantulas right you know for the rest

2905
02:08:51,129 --> 02:08:48,229
of your life right yeah Michael wants to

2906
02:08:55,359 --> 02:08:51,139
know what is the craziest food that

2907
02:08:58,299 --> 02:08:55,369
you've ever eaten oh I mean you know

2908
02:09:00,879 --> 02:08:58,309
I've eaten there's very few things out

2909
02:09:03,219 --> 02:09:00,889
there that I haven't tried the worst

2910
02:09:05,409 --> 02:09:03,229
food I've ever eaten is easy for me

2911
02:09:09,159 --> 02:09:05,419
there is a delicacy in the Philippines

2912
02:09:12,250 --> 02:09:09,169
known as balut and it is effectively an

2913
02:09:14,500 --> 02:09:12,260
overdeveloped egg so it's an egg that's

2914
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:14,510
almost the chicken it's almost a duck

2915
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:17,570
it's it's it's this like fermented kind

2916
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:17,930
of

2917
02:09:22,210 --> 02:09:20,210
Melling egg and when you open it up

2918
02:09:23,740 --> 02:09:22,220
there are like bones and feathers and

2919
02:09:26,950 --> 02:09:23,750
stuff inside of it and it's the only

2920
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:26,960
thing that I've ever eaten in ten years

2921
02:09:31,210 --> 02:09:28,730
of doing this kind of stuff that I

2922
02:09:32,980 --> 02:09:31,220
immediately threw up you know I mean I I

2923
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:32,990
have like a stomach of Steel I've been

2924
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:35,360
able to kind of keep everything down but

2925
02:09:39,460 --> 02:09:37,970
I got that balut you know just to the

2926
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:39,470
back of my throat and my body was like

2927
02:09:45,790 --> 02:09:42,890
no way what happened wasn't the taste or

2928
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:45,800
wasn't the thought of feathers it's all

2929
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:47,840
in it it's like it's taste the smell

2930
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:49,970
it's a rotten egg and then you there's

2931
02:09:54,820 --> 02:09:52,370
literally like bones like part of a beak

2932
02:09:56,500 --> 02:09:54,830
I mean it's it's awful and it's so funny

2933
02:09:58,990 --> 02:09:56,510
because I've met so many Filipinos over

2934
02:10:01,180 --> 02:09:59,000
the years who heard me say that and they

2935
02:10:03,190 --> 02:10:01,190
say oh you're crazy balut is a delicacy

2936
02:10:05,230 --> 02:10:03,200
it's it's it's considered an aphrodisiac

2937
02:10:08,290 --> 02:10:05,240
I'm like get out of here there is

2938
02:10:10,540 --> 02:10:08,300
nothing sexy about you know a rotten egg

2939
02:10:11,980 --> 02:10:10,550
with bones and feathers in it so that's

2940
02:10:16,030 --> 02:10:11,990
that's probably the grossest thing I've

2941
02:10:19,750 --> 02:10:16,040
eaten I recently had a we were filming

2942
02:10:23,290 --> 02:10:19,760
an episode up in the Yukon up in Canada

2943
02:10:26,620 --> 02:10:23,300
and I had a drink called the sour toe

2944
02:10:32,740 --> 02:10:26,630
cocktail which is a shot of whiskey with

2945
02:10:35,230 --> 02:10:32,750
a human toe in it no and yes no no no no

2946
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:35,240
just you can look it up you could look

2947
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:38,690
it up where's the toe come from it's a

2948
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:40,490
great question that's a natural question

2949
02:10:45,850 --> 02:10:43,730
it is donated by people in the town when

2950
02:10:49,450 --> 02:10:45,860
they die they donate their toes to this

2951
02:10:51,340 --> 02:10:49,460
bar no no no no no they they they have

2952
02:10:53,460 --> 02:10:51,350
this like there are photos of it if you

2953
02:10:55,930 --> 02:10:53,470
look it up it'll haunt your dreams

2954
02:10:59,020 --> 02:10:55,940
that's already crazy that's that's

2955
02:11:00,460 --> 02:10:59,030
pretty itis so they put this toe in the

2956
02:11:02,710 --> 02:11:00,470
drink and you have to drink the whiskey

2957
02:11:06,970 --> 02:11:02,720
and the toe has to touch your lips in

2958
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:06,980
order for it to count and here's the

2959
02:11:11,650 --> 02:11:08,960
worst part here's the worst part there's

2960
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:11,660
a sign up in the bar that says that

2961
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:14,450
there's like a thousand dollar fine for

2962
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:17,810
swallowing the toe which means you know

2963
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:20,480
that's happened you know we have a huge

2964
02:11:24,970 --> 02:11:23,210
Canadian audience right and I'm gonna

2965
02:11:27,250 --> 02:11:24,980
watch this pop up in Twitter right now

2966
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:27,260
somebody is actually gonna say that you

2967
02:11:30,739 --> 02:11:29,570
are you are telling the truth probably

2968
02:11:32,419 --> 02:11:30,749
worse than others

2969
02:11:36,589 --> 02:11:32,429
yeah somebody's gonna say that they've

2970
02:11:40,609 --> 02:11:36,599
done it all right no cocktail sour toe

2971
02:11:46,729 --> 02:11:40,619
cocktail Nancy wants to know what really

2972
02:11:48,469 --> 02:11:46,739
happened at the ghost hunt at Masada you

2973
02:11:50,020 --> 02:11:48,479
know we had an opportunity on

2974
02:11:52,669 --> 02:11:50,030
Destination Truth to do some

2975
02:11:54,859 --> 02:11:52,679
unbelievable overnights in some really

2976
02:11:56,359 --> 02:11:54,869
incredible places that's one of the

2977
02:11:58,669 --> 02:11:56,369
things that was the most fun about that

2978
02:12:00,979 --> 02:11:58,679
show was getting to spend the night in

2979
02:12:03,020 --> 02:12:00,989
places like Masada you know Masada is

2980
02:12:06,020 --> 02:12:03,030
this for people who don't know this

2981
02:12:08,259 --> 02:12:06,030
incredibly beautiful it's kind of a

2982
02:12:11,180 --> 02:12:08,269
butte it's like this this this big rise

2983
02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:11,190
out in the Judean Desert in Israel and

2984
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:15,170
it was the site of a standoff between

2985
02:12:20,540 --> 02:12:18,690
Jewish zealots and the Roman army you

2986
02:12:22,819 --> 02:12:20,550
know a few thousand years ago that ended

2987
02:12:25,489 --> 02:12:22,829
in this mass suicide of all of these

2988
02:12:27,350 --> 02:12:25,499
zealots on top of this big fortress in

2989
02:12:29,569 --> 02:12:27,360
the desert and it's a place that's

2990
02:12:31,310 --> 02:12:29,579
really spiritual and kind of you know

2991
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:31,320
again one of those places that has a

2992
02:12:35,450 --> 02:12:33,210
real intense kind of energy to it and so

2993
02:12:38,419 --> 02:12:35,460
we spent the night up there and it was a

2994
02:12:40,339 --> 02:12:38,429
really intense experience and and it was

2995
02:12:43,189 --> 02:12:40,349
also one of the most compelling pieces

2996
02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:43,199
of thermal evidence we ever caught we

2997
02:12:49,339 --> 02:12:46,320
saw on our thermal imager and it's it's

2998
02:12:52,459 --> 02:12:49,349
in the program you know uncut it's in

2999
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:52,469
there what really looks like the outline

3000
02:12:59,089 --> 02:12:55,679
of a person a really anthropomorphic

3001
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:59,099
shape this sort of heat signature which

3002
02:13:03,469 --> 02:13:01,679
appeared and then just evaporated and

3003
02:13:05,779 --> 02:13:03,479
you can see it on the camera and I have

3004
02:13:07,669 --> 02:13:05,789
to say for me as someone who went into a

3005
02:13:11,089 --> 02:13:07,679
lot of those episodes kind of as like an

3006
02:13:12,649 --> 02:13:11,099
open-minded skeptic it made my jaw drop

3007
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:12,659
I had just never seen anything like that

3008
02:13:18,319 --> 02:13:16,530
so it was a really amazing night and I

3009
02:13:19,879 --> 02:13:18,329
think if I recounted some of the most

3010
02:13:21,259 --> 02:13:19,889
compelling evidence that we ever caught

3011
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:21,269
on that show that would be one of them

3012
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:25,440
what was besides Masada what was the

3013
02:13:34,100 --> 02:13:28,170
most haunted place that you have been -

3014
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:34,110
I went Chernobyl probably oh right you

3015
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,210
know we we spent the night at at at

3016
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:38,400
Chernobyl and and you know I sort of

3017
02:13:41,930 --> 02:13:40,170
used the word haunted in every sense of

3018
02:13:44,509 --> 02:13:41,940
the word you know I mean I'd never been

3019
02:13:47,569 --> 02:13:44,519
to a place that is that

3020
02:13:49,160 --> 02:13:47,579
kind of that much abandonment on that

3021
02:13:51,529 --> 02:13:49,170
scale I've been into abandoned buildings

3022
02:13:53,540 --> 02:13:51,539
before you know on ghost hunters live I

3023
02:13:55,910 --> 02:13:53,550
you know they would often be in some

3024
02:13:57,529 --> 02:13:55,920
sort of abandoned Hospital or mental

3025
02:13:59,540 --> 02:13:57,539
institution or something this is an

3026
02:14:01,790 --> 02:13:59,550
abandoned city you know this is an

3027
02:14:04,060 --> 02:14:01,800
entire city that's abandoned and to

3028
02:14:08,180 --> 02:14:04,070
spend a night there to see all of the

3029
02:14:10,310 --> 02:14:08,190
sort of frozen in time aspect of that

3030
02:14:12,649 --> 02:14:10,320
place was just I mean it was terrifying

3031
02:14:16,669 --> 02:14:12,659
it really was a scary place to be and

3032
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:16,679
did you get a chance to speak to any of

3033
02:14:20,810 --> 02:14:18,480
the you know the women that are left

3034
02:14:24,759 --> 02:14:20,820
behind the widows to do did you meet any

3035
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:24,769
of them we met with a few people who had

3036
02:14:30,500 --> 02:14:27,570
been sort of survivors of the event who

3037
02:14:32,660 --> 02:14:30,510
had moved back afterwards years later

3038
02:14:35,359 --> 02:14:32,670
they they're now letting some people

3039
02:14:38,149 --> 02:14:35,369
back into the edges of this the zone of

3040
02:14:40,879 --> 02:14:38,159
exclusion they call it and you know I

3041
02:14:44,810 --> 02:14:40,889
mean it's a really tragic sad story at

3042
02:14:47,149 --> 02:14:44,820
its core but it's also a story of hubris

3043
02:14:49,580 --> 02:14:47,159
you know I mean it's the story of man

3044
02:14:52,339 --> 02:14:49,590
thinking that he can conquer nature and

3045
02:14:55,819 --> 02:14:52,349
really learning in a very very dramatic

3046
02:15:01,939 --> 02:14:55,829
way that nature you know is is more than

3047
02:15:04,040 --> 02:15:01,949
willing to fight back and Bigfoot oh oh

3048
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:04,050
no I want I did want to talk about

3049
02:15:09,529 --> 02:15:06,570
Bigfoot I'm gonna back it up how many

3050
02:15:13,129 --> 02:15:09,539
miles have you flown what how many of

3051
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:13,139
you logged I don't even know I mean I

3052
02:15:17,209 --> 02:15:15,360
can tell you this so I fly on lots of

3053
02:15:20,419 --> 02:15:17,219
different airlines all over the world I

3054
02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:20,429
just logged my millionth mile with just

3055
02:15:24,649 --> 02:15:22,110
United Airlines that's crazy

3056
02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:24,659
and so I've flown a million with United

3057
02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:26,130
and that doesn't include lots of other

3058
02:15:32,959 --> 02:15:28,110
airlines so you know you get bumped up

3059
02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:32,969
that's good that's good so let me ask

3060
02:15:43,819 --> 02:15:39,210
you this Josh Flat Earth what is going

3061
02:15:46,430 --> 02:15:43,829
on why is there any discussion at all

3062
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:46,440
with with what I think are pretty

3063
02:15:51,649 --> 02:15:48,690
sensible and rational people out there

3064
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:51,659
what is going on with I mean I don't

3065
02:15:57,049 --> 02:15:55,170
know I mean so part it is so first of

3066
02:15:58,169 --> 02:15:57,059
all I'll go this is you know this is

3067
02:16:00,529 --> 02:15:58,179
crazy

3068
02:16:02,939 --> 02:16:00,539
there's no evidence to support this and

3069
02:16:05,939 --> 02:16:02,949
you don't even have to really work at

3070
02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:05,949
all to understand that there's no

3071
02:16:10,439 --> 02:16:08,050
evidence to support this I don't know I

3072
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:10,449
mean I feel like part of it is people

3073
02:16:15,989 --> 02:16:12,159
who really believe that and a big part

3074
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:15,999
of it is people who kind of just think

3075
02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:18,880
it's like a fun there's like some some

3076
02:16:22,290 --> 02:16:20,530
people who like the argument of it I

3077
02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:22,300
guess because it's like they like being

3078
02:16:26,879 --> 02:16:24,880
a debating dad and yelled at by other

3079
02:16:28,770 --> 02:16:26,889
people yeah I think part of it is this

3080
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,780
weird phenomenon of like people liking

3081
02:16:33,269 --> 02:16:30,639
to take a position that's so crazy

3082
02:16:36,110 --> 02:16:33,279
that they can kind of dig in but I have

3083
02:16:39,959 --> 02:16:36,120
no idea it's nonsense there are you know

3084
02:16:42,089 --> 02:16:39,969
when we have some intelligent people

3085
02:16:44,969 --> 02:16:42,099
whether it's professional athletes or

3086
02:16:49,620 --> 02:16:44,979
actors or what this is being discussed

3087
02:16:51,479 --> 02:16:49,630
and I just I am fascinated I thought

3088
02:16:52,889 --> 02:16:51,489
last year when it started to catch on I

3089
02:16:56,639 --> 02:16:52,899
thought it was just gonna go away would

3090
02:16:59,400 --> 02:16:56,649
be passe and we could roll into 2017 and

3091
02:17:02,969 --> 02:16:59,410
and and start talking sensibly again and

3092
02:17:06,530 --> 02:17:02,979
it has not stopped when you got to get

3093
02:17:12,269 --> 02:17:06,540
Neil deGrasse Tyson in on the argument

3094
02:17:15,780 --> 02:17:12,279
right it's gotten way too far I I don't

3095
02:17:19,379 --> 02:17:15,790
understand it's in so if when you look

3096
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:19,389
out the window of an airplane and one of

3097
02:17:24,660 --> 02:17:22,719
the arguments that they put forward the

3098
02:17:27,809 --> 02:17:24,670
flat earthers out there is that all of

3099
02:17:31,019 --> 02:17:27,819
the glass is curved on an airplane and

3100
02:17:34,759 --> 02:17:31,029
it is making the horizon appear to be

3101
02:17:38,299 --> 02:17:34,769
curved now the they they are the

3102
02:17:42,049 --> 02:17:38,309
conspiracy goes down to the airline

3103
02:17:45,299 --> 02:17:42,059
manufacturers or sure everybody right

3104
02:17:46,979 --> 02:17:45,309
everybody would have to be alright I

3105
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:46,989
feel that same way about the

3106
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:49,689
moon-landing people like oh why didn't

3107
02:17:54,900 --> 02:17:52,569
this idea that we faked the moon landing

3108
02:17:57,419 --> 02:17:54,910
it's like a quarter of a million people

3109
02:17:58,889 --> 02:17:57,429
worked on the Apollo program like you

3110
02:18:01,189 --> 02:17:58,899
couldn't get a quarter of a million

3111
02:18:04,439 --> 02:18:01,199
people to tell the same story it's like

3112
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:04,449
it's it's so the idea that you've got

3113
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:07,330
these mass conspiracies where we're you

3114
02:18:11,519 --> 02:18:10,000
know tens or hundreds of thousands of

3115
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:11,529
people are all sticking this script

3116
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:12,130
right

3117
02:18:19,230 --> 02:18:16,510
is just so crazy I don't think we went

3118
02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:19,240
to the moon come on

3119
02:18:29,310 --> 02:18:24,969
well you know this this is this is check

3120
02:18:32,669 --> 02:18:29,320
this out this is look I like you I grew

3121
02:18:34,620 --> 02:18:32,679
up with a favorite astronaut I was

3122
02:18:37,169 --> 02:18:34,630
dreaming of moon bases and drawing

3123
02:18:38,339 --> 02:18:37,179
pictures and I that's all I wanted to do

3124
02:18:41,490 --> 02:18:38,349
okay

3125
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:41,500
so trust me for me to even contemplate

3126
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:45,760
or consider that theory that conspiracy

3127
02:18:54,030 --> 02:18:50,080
is is insane to me but when I went to

3128
02:18:56,820 --> 02:18:54,040
the Smithsonian the Aerospace Museum in

3129
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:56,830
Washington DC and you know you look at

3130
02:19:00,719 --> 02:18:58,719
Gemini you look at mercury and you look

3131
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:00,729
at the Apollo capsule and you look on

3132
02:19:09,929 --> 02:19:02,649
the inside of it you look at a couple of

3133
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:09,939
levers right very high-tech ed that that

3134
02:19:15,900 --> 02:19:12,370
kind of tripped me out I was expecting

3135
02:19:20,780 --> 02:19:15,910
more but and so I start to think about

3136
02:19:24,450 --> 02:19:20,790
the technology of 1965 67 68 69 70

3137
02:19:26,339 --> 02:19:24,460
versus what we have today and we are not

3138
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:26,349
going to the moon and we won't go past

3139
02:19:32,190 --> 02:19:30,399
400 miles out we haven't we have not now

3140
02:19:34,129 --> 02:19:32,200
we're afraid of radiation and we don't

3141
02:19:37,740 --> 02:19:34,139
have the technology but back then

3142
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:37,750
apparently we did without computers or

3143
02:19:43,169 --> 02:19:40,479
seriously without computers it's true

3144
02:19:46,889 --> 02:19:43,179
guy that that trips me out a little bit

3145
02:19:49,320 --> 02:19:46,899
that just makes me step back in and and

3146
02:19:51,060 --> 02:19:49,330
pause I don't want to you know we had

3147
02:19:55,230 --> 02:19:51,070
some great heroes that went out there in

3148
02:19:59,760 --> 02:19:55,240
risk of their lives but man I don't know

3149
02:20:01,230 --> 02:19:59,770
I don't know none of those guys went up

3150
02:20:03,540 --> 02:20:01,240
you think that none of those guys went

3151
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:03,550
out there no it was it is it Kubrick's

3152
02:20:06,389 --> 02:20:05,680
directing it in a sack I know where how

3153
02:20:08,490 --> 02:20:06,399
far does it go

3154
02:20:11,850 --> 02:20:08,500
I know I know Josh and you can slap me

3155
02:20:14,429 --> 02:20:11,860
around I deserve it but you're exactly

3156
02:20:16,650 --> 02:20:14,439
right so when you flip it back and maybe

3157
02:20:19,260 --> 02:20:16,660
look at the considerations that were

3158
02:20:21,660 --> 02:20:19,270
there that we had to stay in front of

3159
02:20:23,310 --> 02:20:21,670
Russia right we were in the space race

3160
02:20:25,511 --> 02:20:23,320
we're in the Cold War we're competing

3161
02:20:29,290 --> 02:20:25,521
worldwide that just may

3162
02:20:34,810 --> 02:20:29,300
I'm saying maybe that we had to fake it

3163
02:20:37,540 --> 02:20:34,820
for our own you know to save us from

3164
02:20:40,180 --> 02:20:37,550
embarrassment you know and just maybe

3165
02:20:41,370 --> 02:20:40,190
that is a possibility that's all that

3166
02:20:43,421 --> 02:20:41,380
I'm saying

3167
02:20:45,940 --> 02:20:43,431
alright I'm gonna give you a pass on

3168
02:20:48,820 --> 02:20:45,950
this one I know I don't wanna I don't

3169
02:20:52,421 --> 02:20:48,830
wanna pass out you know what I I want I

3170
02:20:53,500 --> 02:20:52,431
want this disgust because it like I said

3171
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:53,510
well here's what's gonna happen I think

3172
02:20:58,450 --> 02:20:55,760
in in the next couple of years you're

3173
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,460
gonna see a Chinese astronaut touchdown

3174
02:21:01,841 --> 02:21:00,080
on the moon it's gonna happen right are

3175
02:21:03,970 --> 02:21:01,851
gonna go yep they're the next ones up

3176
02:21:05,620 --> 02:21:03,980
and they're gonna go there and you're

3177
02:21:07,060 --> 02:21:05,630
gonna have to eat crow you're gonna

3178
02:21:08,830 --> 02:21:07,070
they're gonna orbit the moon and they're

3179
02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:08,840
gonna send back photos of all the stuff

3180
02:21:11,500 --> 02:21:10,130
we left up there and you're gonna have

3181
02:21:15,850 --> 02:21:11,510
to come on the radio and say you know

3182
02:21:19,511 --> 02:21:15,860
what Josh was right yeah but you know

3183
02:21:21,551 --> 02:21:19,521
the the the the conspiracy theories that

3184
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:21,561
are out there and they're all over the

3185
02:21:26,591 --> 02:21:23,210
place it's what you deal with is what I

3186
02:21:29,051 --> 02:21:26,601
deal with shred and when we today were

3187
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:29,061
pretty smart and we have access to

3188
02:21:33,220 --> 02:21:31,010
knowledge that we've never had before in

3189
02:21:36,610 --> 02:21:33,230
history it's never been quite like this

3190
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:36,620
so when you look at our technology today

3191
02:21:41,051 --> 02:21:38,510
and you think about some of our past

3192
02:21:44,020 --> 02:21:41,061
successes and how that actually pulled

3193
02:21:46,540 --> 02:21:44,030
off and you look at today what we can't

3194
02:21:49,690 --> 02:21:46,550
do that we were supposed to have been

3195
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:49,700
doing by now that's what causes people

3196
02:21:54,671 --> 02:21:52,250
to step back and ask questions it's it's

3197
02:21:56,470 --> 02:21:54,681
not sure you know yeah if you look at if

3198
02:21:59,290 --> 02:21:56,480
you look at art for instance you know we

3199
02:22:00,970 --> 02:21:59,300
can't sculpt or paint as well today as

3200
02:22:02,890 --> 02:22:00,980
we could during the Renaissance right

3201
02:22:05,261 --> 02:22:02,900
but we also don't have the same culture

3202
02:22:08,140 --> 02:22:05,271
you know we used to have this culture of

3203
02:22:09,551 --> 02:22:08,150
apprenticeship with artists and the way

3204
02:22:12,461 --> 02:22:09,561
that that students would learn from

3205
02:22:14,770 --> 02:22:12,471
masters the value of art in society we

3206
02:22:16,390 --> 02:22:14,780
just changed you know and and we decided

3207
02:22:18,520 --> 02:22:16,400
to build computers and to do different

3208
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:18,530
things so just because there's

3209
02:22:23,980 --> 02:22:21,650
technology that we lost I think it

3210
02:22:25,930 --> 02:22:23,990
doesn't mean that it wasn't there to

3211
02:22:27,900 --> 02:22:25,940
begin with you know it's like unless you

3212
02:22:31,540 --> 02:22:27,910
decide you're gonna be laser focused on

3213
02:22:33,730 --> 02:22:31,550
carving granite or marble or painting

3214
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:33,740
then yeah those things get lost over

3215
02:22:37,660 --> 02:22:35,570
time because they're so hard right it's

3216
02:22:39,340 --> 02:22:37,670
so difficult that unless you decide this

3217
02:22:42,189 --> 02:22:39,350
is the thing that we value and we're

3218
02:22:43,660 --> 02:22:42,199
just do this they're gonna go away but I

3219
02:22:44,679 --> 02:22:43,670
also don't disagree with the fact that

3220
02:22:46,269 --> 02:22:44,689
there's a lot of things we don't

3221
02:22:48,250 --> 02:22:46,279
understand the answers to out there and

3222
02:22:50,260 --> 02:22:48,260
that's why you and I have a job yeah

3223
02:22:52,719 --> 02:22:50,270
that's exactly right

3224
02:22:55,090 --> 02:22:52,729
and I think that as long as everybody

3225
02:22:57,399 --> 02:22:55,100
continues to have an open mind what you

3226
02:22:58,899 --> 02:22:57,409
look I'll give you an example and I

3227
02:23:00,700 --> 02:22:58,909
don't want to really part on a downer

3228
02:23:02,469 --> 02:23:00,710
but I'll give you an example we went

3229
02:23:04,750 --> 02:23:02,479
through 9/11 and we went through that

3230
02:23:07,149 --> 02:23:04,760
experience of trying to ask questions

3231
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:07,159
and then this Las Vegas shooting

3232
02:23:13,769 --> 02:23:09,770
happened and we're not getting the

3233
02:23:18,519 --> 02:23:13,779
answers that would but the the the the

3234
02:23:20,559 --> 02:23:18,529
us we're smarter today and if we don't

3235
02:23:23,290 --> 02:23:20,569
get those answers we're gonna start to

3236
02:23:24,849 --> 02:23:23,300
write that script for you right and

3237
02:23:27,519 --> 02:23:24,859
that's what it is when it comes to

3238
02:23:30,639 --> 02:23:27,529
Kennedy or the Gulf of Tonkin or lost

3239
02:23:32,530 --> 02:23:30,649
history or Egypt of the pyramids we're

3240
02:23:34,510 --> 02:23:32,540
you know those conspiracies are gonna

3241
02:23:36,370 --> 02:23:34,520
stay solid until we get the real answers

3242
02:23:39,939 --> 02:23:36,380
because we don't know the truth on any

3243
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:39,949
of these subjects and that's why it's so

3244
02:23:42,849 --> 02:23:41,330
important for people to keep digging and

3245
02:23:45,219 --> 02:23:42,859
finding those answers you know one of

3246
02:23:47,639 --> 02:23:45,229
the things I love about my job is the

3247
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:47,649
ability to hang out with with

3248
02:23:52,269 --> 02:23:50,479
archaeologists and explorers who this is

3249
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:52,279
their laser focus they are devoting

3250
02:23:56,109 --> 02:23:54,290
their lives to understanding this

3251
02:23:58,389 --> 02:23:56,119
history and you know it's I was out

3252
02:24:01,389 --> 02:23:58,399
yesterday with this Spanish team that's

3253
02:24:03,639 --> 02:24:01,399
digging out and the baking Sun here in

3254
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:03,649
Luxor and you know I mean look nobody

3255
02:24:09,519 --> 02:24:05,930
loves Indiana Jones more than me but

3256
02:24:11,769 --> 02:24:09,529
real archeology is tough non glamorous

3257
02:24:14,620 --> 02:24:11,779
work I mean these guys are in trenches

3258
02:24:16,660 --> 02:24:14,630
digging in the Sun just moving piles of

3259
02:24:18,609 --> 02:24:16,670
dirt and their hole and nobody's getting

3260
02:24:20,590 --> 02:24:18,619
rich off it right their whole focus is

3261
02:24:22,689 --> 02:24:20,600
just trying to understand the past and

3262
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:22,699
so that's what I love about this is

3263
02:24:27,219 --> 02:24:24,170
being able to hang out with these people

3264
02:24:29,559 --> 02:24:27,229
that are you know really really devoting

3265
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:29,569
themselves to this and and finding those

3266
02:24:34,179 --> 02:24:31,250
answers for us in a really meaningful

3267
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:34,189
way so I'm hopeful that that more of

3268
02:24:37,809 --> 02:24:35,600
those questions will get answered over

3269
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:37,819
time but until then you know I love a

3270
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:39,050
good mystery as much as the next person

3271
02:24:44,769 --> 02:24:41,930
be safe out there Josh and we'll see you

3272
02:24:46,570 --> 02:24:44,779
in four short days over on coast to

3273
02:24:49,450 --> 02:24:46,580
coast be safe and we'll see you saturday

3274
02:24:52,730 --> 02:24:49,460
night I look forward to it all the best

3275
02:24:55,160 --> 02:24:52,740
Thank You Josh Josh gates everybody now

3276
02:24:58,011 --> 02:24:55,170
all of the info for Josh's on his

3277
02:25:00,020 --> 02:24:58,021
website Joshua gates at comm the links

3278
02:25:01,940 --> 02:25:00,030
are over at uma Church radio.com and

3279
02:25:04,910 --> 02:25:01,950
again we'll be continuing this

3280
02:25:06,470 --> 02:25:04,920
conversation Saturday night over on

3281
02:25:08,060 --> 02:25:06,480
coast to coast and with that I'm gonna

3282
02:25:10,490 --> 02:25:08,070
take a quick break I'll be right back

3283
02:25:11,810 --> 02:25:10,500
I'll open up the phone lines and we'll

3284
02:25:13,730 --> 02:25:11,820
just chat

3285
02:25:15,381 --> 02:25:13,740
this is fade to black I'm yours too

3286
02:25:21,070 --> 02:25:15,391
matures Thank You Josh great

3287
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its perks

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but remember being a few years younger

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you know your hair was thicker you

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didn't have so many wrinkles that extra

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weight wasn't haunting you and you just

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3356
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3357
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3361
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3362
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:32,600
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3363
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3364
02:29:54,381 --> 02:29:52,670
all right welcome back for you to black

3365
02:29:59,900 --> 02:29:54,391
what a great conversation Thank You Josh

3366
02:30:01,580 --> 02:29:59,910
gates dude is cool hanging out in Luxor

3367
02:30:05,930 --> 02:30:01,590
right now it's gonna be over there for a

3368
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:05,940
couple of weeks man jealous yeah just a

3369
02:30:10,520 --> 02:30:08,250
little bit huh but we'll continue the

3370
02:30:14,631 --> 02:30:10,530
conversation over on coast to coast this

3371
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:14,641
Saturday so be sure to head on over and

3372
02:30:18,801 --> 02:30:17,040
hang out with us I'm looking at some of

3373
02:30:21,140 --> 02:30:18,811
these comments really quick in Twitter I

3374
02:30:24,320 --> 02:30:21,150
wanted to get to Michael just said the

3375
02:30:25,940 --> 02:30:24,330
Chinese will see the reptilian ships and

3376
02:30:27,650 --> 02:30:25,950
reptilians and they will hit the

3377
02:30:33,670 --> 02:30:27,660
throttle back here before you can count

3378
02:30:36,860 --> 02:30:33,680
to 1 that's pretty interesting and also

3379
02:30:38,330 --> 02:30:36,870
mark Toronto just posted why Russia is

3380
02:30:40,460 --> 02:30:38,340
saying they can't go to the moon

3381
02:30:44,180 --> 02:30:40,470
presently and that's the Van Allen

3382
02:30:47,140 --> 02:30:44,190
radiation belt and that actually slipped

3383
02:30:51,830 --> 02:30:47,150
up in a NASA press conference last year

3384
02:30:54,110 --> 02:30:51,840
very famous of video of that one of one

3385
02:30:57,290 --> 02:30:54,120
of the spokespeople for for NASA

3386
02:30:59,720 --> 02:30:57,300
actually said well you know as soon as

3387
02:31:02,390 --> 02:30:59,730
we conquer how to get through the

3388
02:31:03,890 --> 02:31:02,400
radiation then we'll we'll we'll head

3389
02:31:06,620 --> 02:31:03,900
back and we'll figure out how to get

3390
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:06,630
back to the moon and and and and get to

3391
02:31:11,810 --> 02:31:09,090
Mars and it was a serious serious

3392
02:31:14,450 --> 02:31:11,820
slip-up and one that was just played

3393
02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:14,460
over and over again out there on the net

3394
02:31:22,190 --> 02:31:19,170
and let's see what else Mike and Heidi

3395
02:31:26,900 --> 02:31:22,200
just posted that he is correct thus our

3396
02:31:29,631 --> 02:31:26,910
tow drink exists however the tow was

3397
02:31:32,620 --> 02:31:29,641
stolen last year oh and somebody else

3398
02:31:35,720 --> 02:31:32,630
just tweeted that there's a reward out

3399
02:31:40,520 --> 02:31:35,730
for the for the tow from the sour tow

3400
02:31:42,020 --> 02:31:40,530
tree and it was stolen so there you go

3401
02:31:44,240 --> 02:31:42,030
alright let's go to the phones I've

3402
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:44,250
opened up the phone lines three two

3403
02:31:48,440 --> 02:31:46,080
three eight to five five zero four or

3404
02:31:50,540 --> 02:31:48,450
five or three two three two seven five

3405
02:31:52,820 --> 02:31:50,550
nine six nine five hi you're live on

3406
02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:52,830
fade to black who's calling

3407
02:31:57,980 --> 02:31:56,010
Debbie hi Debbie how are you in

3408
02:31:59,630 --> 02:31:57,990
Sacramento hi Jimmy how are you I'm

3409
02:32:03,140 --> 02:31:59,640
doing good what did you think of mr.

3410
02:32:04,970 --> 02:32:03,150
gates oh I love this show I watched you

3411
02:32:06,980 --> 02:32:04,980
still watch the Destination Truth and

3412
02:32:08,570 --> 02:32:06,990
now I'm watching the hunt for the aliens

3413
02:32:10,400 --> 02:32:08,580
- I can't wait for tomorrow night it's

3414
02:32:12,380 --> 02:32:10,410
it's great show yeah it's actually a

3415
02:32:15,051 --> 02:32:12,390
pretty well done I didn't want to give

3416
02:32:17,630 --> 02:32:15,061
away a whole lot for those that haven't

3417
02:32:19,310 --> 02:32:17,640
seen it and I know that the next

3418
02:32:21,500 --> 02:32:19,320
episodes are coming up like tomorrow

3419
02:32:23,630 --> 02:32:21,510
night so I didn't want to give too much

3420
02:32:24,520 --> 02:32:23,640
of it away but it is pretty good isn't

3421
02:32:26,960 --> 02:32:24,530
it

3422
02:32:28,490 --> 02:32:26,970
yeah yeah we don't we don't want to be

3423
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:28,500
spoilers for other people that are

3424
02:32:32,570 --> 02:32:31,530
checking in but yeah great show almost

3425
02:32:37,730 --> 02:32:32,580
as good as yours

3426
02:32:40,551 --> 02:32:37,740
I was waiting for you to follow up with

3427
02:32:42,860 --> 02:32:40,561
them on Bigfoot and it didn't go there

3428
02:32:45,410 --> 02:32:42,870
so I wanted to tune in on Saturday night

3429
02:32:47,240 --> 02:32:45,420
but and I try to go to my laptop but

3430
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:47,250
they don't let you dial in or click on

3431
02:32:52,130 --> 02:32:49,410
their site to listen live I guess you

3432
02:32:56,660 --> 02:32:52,140
have to have a membership right well you

3433
02:32:58,520 --> 02:32:56,670
can actually go to talk stream live go

3434
02:33:01,520 --> 02:32:58,530
to talk stream live we broadcast their

3435
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:01,530
live all of the live talk shows that's

3436
02:33:06,860 --> 02:33:03,920
why it's called talk stream live

3437
02:33:09,950 --> 02:33:06,870
streamed there for free so you can just

3438
02:33:12,740 --> 02:33:09,960
go to talk stream live and when ko

3439
02:33:14,620 --> 02:33:12,750
starts it'll pop up and it'll go right

3440
02:33:17,660 --> 02:33:14,630
there I think we're probably number one

3441
02:33:20,180 --> 02:33:17,670
I wonder where we are right now wonder

3442
02:33:21,590 --> 02:33:20,190
we're fade to black is let's see hold on

3443
02:33:27,761 --> 02:33:21,600
that's a good question let's see where

3444
02:33:32,540 --> 02:33:27,771
we are in the rankings right now we are

3445
02:33:36,500 --> 02:33:32,550
we're number four right now Clyde Lewis

3446
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:36,510
is number one Jo bachelor or John

3447
02:33:41,930 --> 02:33:38,880
bachelors number two Michael Savage is

3448
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:41,940
three and fade to black is number four

3449
02:33:49,240 --> 02:33:43,920
and we're ahead of Fox we're ahead of

3450
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:49,250
Fox that's good we're ahead of Infowars

3451
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:51,570
Alex Jones but you know it's really

3452
02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:53,010
great we're ahead of Mark Levin and

3453
02:33:58,940 --> 02:33:54,720
Howie Carr I'm looking at everything

3454
02:34:01,250 --> 02:33:58,950
here dark matter radio dark matter

3455
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:01,260
digital midnight in the desert they're

3456
02:34:06,170 --> 02:34:04,170
way down there I didn't I didn't even

3457
02:34:06,890 --> 02:34:06,180
know she's still on the air okay but she

3458
02:34:08,690 --> 02:34:06,900
is I

3459
02:34:12,461 --> 02:34:08,700
the men natok stream live here probably

3460
02:34:16,490 --> 02:34:12,471
in a couple of years but there's K GRA

3461
02:34:20,930 --> 02:34:16,500
coming in at number seven but we're on K

3462
02:34:28,041 --> 02:34:20,940
GRA - right right now so we should be

3463
02:34:29,871 --> 02:34:28,051
number one we should be inside checked

3464
02:34:38,180 --> 02:34:29,881
out you back in the day with the board

3465
02:34:40,700 --> 02:34:38,190
shorts well I was doing my best to to be

3466
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:40,710
the best eddie van halen that I could be

3467
02:34:54,770 --> 02:34:50,610
so I'll definitely yeah I will do that

3468
02:34:57,110 --> 02:34:54,780
on Saturday so you know there you go

3469
02:35:00,051 --> 02:34:57,120
and thank you for reminding me well what

3470
02:35:03,171 --> 02:35:00,061
I don't want to do on Saturday is repeat

3471
02:35:06,020 --> 02:35:03,181
this show here so we got to take Josh

3472
02:35:06,680 --> 02:35:06,030
into the zone just a little bit further

3473
02:35:12,081 --> 02:35:06,690
okay

3474
02:35:15,470 --> 02:35:12,091
Oh Thank You Deb be safe out there take

3475
02:35:19,640 --> 02:35:15,480
care all right let's go hi you're live

3476
02:35:24,140 --> 02:35:19,650
on fade to black who's calling hello

3477
02:35:26,301 --> 02:35:24,150
Jimmy Church yes yes I am smoking the

3478
02:35:29,350 --> 02:35:26,311
beans and slapping the bass

3479
02:35:33,740 --> 02:35:29,360
how are you Kendra everything good

3480
02:35:38,060 --> 02:35:33,750
everything's wonderful doing really well

3481
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:38,070
and I have a very important question

3482
02:35:43,730 --> 02:35:41,280
that you might know about mr. gates and

3483
02:35:48,381 --> 02:35:43,740
then I just listened to do you know if

3484
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:48,391
he's single no he is married oh I know

3485
02:35:54,261 --> 02:35:50,250
I'm breaking hearts right now our

3486
02:35:57,801 --> 02:35:54,271
breaking hearts hold on for a second

3487
02:36:03,621 --> 02:35:57,811
I've got was that me or you making that

3488
02:36:04,940 --> 02:36:03,631
strange noise I don't know you there I

3489
02:36:07,820 --> 02:36:04,950
don't know where that came from

3490
02:36:09,801 --> 02:36:07,830
and I'm looking I don't have anything

3491
02:36:13,100 --> 02:36:09,811
open I don't know what caused that that

3492
02:36:14,871 --> 02:36:13,110
was a I that was pretty nuts that was

3493
02:36:17,121 --> 02:36:14,881
pretty much hearing a third party on the

3494
02:36:19,761 --> 02:36:17,131
phone right now yeah it's because I have

3495
02:36:20,690 --> 02:36:19,771
somebody on hold on a couple of other

3496
02:36:24,020 --> 02:36:20,700
law

3497
02:36:26,780 --> 02:36:24,030
so but anyway a separate simple phone

3498
02:36:28,430 --> 02:36:26,790
lines but they're on the same talkback

3499
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:28,440
so you guys could actually hear each

3500
02:36:38,060 --> 02:36:33,120
other but what I was going to say what

3501
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:38,070
did you just say you maybe I just said I

3502
02:36:44,060 --> 02:36:39,930
had a total I've always had a crush on

3503
02:36:48,470 --> 02:36:44,070
him that's what I was gonna say I got so

3504
02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:48,480
much email today please ask Josh this

3505
02:36:55,100 --> 02:36:51,830
I've been you know I've been foul so

3506
02:36:59,900 --> 02:36:55,110
about that if he was married he married

3507
02:37:02,180 --> 02:36:59,910
his co-star from a Destination Truth a

3508
02:37:05,150 --> 02:37:02,190
Heidi and he married her like I think

3509
02:37:08,511 --> 02:37:05,160
four years ago and they have a son so oh

3510
02:37:10,370 --> 02:37:08,521
wow yeah it's my job you know

3511
02:37:13,460 --> 02:37:10,380
yeah breaking all the breaks but I have

3512
02:37:14,990 --> 02:37:13,470
a theory that I've been thinking if I

3513
02:37:18,350 --> 02:37:15,000
wanted to run past you in the fader

3514
02:37:21,591 --> 02:37:18,360
knobs which is and has to do with the

3515
02:37:24,860 --> 02:37:21,601
good versus bad alien alien agenda that

3516
02:37:27,070 --> 02:37:24,870
kind of thing and so as we see what's

3517
02:37:29,540 --> 02:37:27,080
going on with the planet and just the

3518
02:37:31,370 --> 02:37:29,550
toxification of everything you know

3519
02:37:33,410 --> 02:37:31,380
they're poisoning for in everything in

3520
02:37:36,470 --> 02:37:33,420
the GMO foods and HAARP and chemtrails

3521
02:37:39,290 --> 02:37:36,480
and all of that right and I'm like well

3522
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:39,300
what human being would just purposely

3523
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:41,040
and they're purposely doing this it's

3524
02:37:46,700 --> 02:37:42,720
rather obvious I mean we have other

3525
02:37:51,020 --> 02:37:46,710
solutions it's so inhumane it's inhuman

3526
02:37:53,091 --> 02:37:51,030
right so maybe and I've never really

3527
02:37:54,801 --> 02:37:53,101
heard this expressed by anyone in our

3528
02:37:57,290 --> 02:37:54,811
circles that I've heard I'm sure it's

3529
02:38:00,080 --> 02:37:57,300
out there but I'm like it almost seems

3530
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:00,090
like they're like terraforming the this

3531
02:38:05,930 --> 02:38:03,690
earth you know so maybe like if the

3532
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:05,940
reptilian aliens are really you know

3533
02:38:10,970 --> 02:38:08,640
exists and they're evil and and

3534
02:38:12,770 --> 02:38:10,980
controllers and the whole thing maybe

3535
02:38:16,160 --> 02:38:12,780
where they come from or the type of

3536
02:38:18,890 --> 02:38:16,170
atmosphere they need needs all the you

3537
02:38:21,051 --> 02:38:18,900
know aluminum in the air and the and the

3538
02:38:24,200 --> 02:38:21,061
you know all the strontium and all the

3539
02:38:27,200 --> 02:38:24,210
and radiation and you know whatever is

3540
02:38:28,700 --> 02:38:27,210
in the chemtrails and fluoride in the

3541
02:38:31,100 --> 02:38:28,710
water maybe that's what they need to

3542
02:38:32,740 --> 02:38:31,110
survive to you know live on the planet

3543
02:38:33,950 --> 02:38:32,750
and it feels like the earth is being

3544
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:33,960
terraformed

3545
02:38:39,170 --> 02:38:36,960
I'm just like it has that ever crossed

3546
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:39,180
your mind or if you heard of that sort

3547
02:38:43,460 --> 02:38:42,240
of idea I've heard something similar to

3548
02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:43,470
that that they're prepping it for

3549
02:38:50,420 --> 02:38:46,290
themselves I don't think it's that far

3550
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:50,430
out of the question and the reason well

3551
02:38:57,020 --> 02:38:53,040
the reason why and I want to thank you

3552
02:38:59,480 --> 02:38:57,030
in advance for the phone call Kendra but

3553
02:39:02,920 --> 02:38:59,490
the thing is this and and I say it over

3554
02:39:06,860 --> 02:39:02,930
and over and over and over again any

3555
02:39:10,850 --> 02:39:06,870
intelligent being that is here traveled

3556
02:39:14,030 --> 02:39:10,860
a long ways which means that they more

3557
02:39:16,520 --> 02:39:14,040
than likely are thousands if not tens of

3558
02:39:19,580 --> 02:39:16,530
thousands or maybe a million years more

3559
02:39:22,070 --> 02:39:19,590
advanced than us because they were you

3560
02:39:24,830 --> 02:39:22,080
know before us and and and created

3561
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:24,840
before us so it's an intelligence that

3562
02:39:28,490 --> 02:39:27,690
we don't understand it's it's as simple

3563
02:39:32,060 --> 02:39:28,500
as that

3564
02:39:33,700 --> 02:39:32,070
any more than any creature on this earth

3565
02:39:36,890 --> 02:39:33,710
that is looking at us and they are

3566
02:39:40,010 --> 02:39:36,900
perplexed when we get into a car and

3567
02:39:41,900 --> 02:39:40,020
drive or if you know they don't

3568
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:41,910
understand the technology of a car

3569
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:44,010
it's--we be they they don't get it it's

3570
02:39:50,810 --> 02:39:46,410
it's beyond them well it would be the

3571
02:39:53,480 --> 02:39:50,820
same thing with us and any I would just

3572
02:39:55,940 --> 02:39:53,490
assume that any alien life that would be

3573
02:39:58,370 --> 02:39:55,950
here would just be way beyond anything

3574
02:40:00,410 --> 02:39:58,380
that we understand that's all we don't

3575
02:40:03,170 --> 02:40:00,420
we couldn't wrap our head around it and

3576
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:03,180
it's really that simple so that that's

3577
02:40:05,750 --> 02:40:05,040
that's my story and I'm sticking to a

3578
02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:05,760
Kendra

3579
02:40:09,680 --> 02:40:07,530
we'll see it yeah I guess we'll find out

3580
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:09,690
someday yeah we all will Thank You

3581
02:40:13,910 --> 02:40:11,280
Kendra we'll see you tomorrow night on

3582
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:13,920
the show go back wake up bye

3583
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:15,930
that's what I'm talking about Thank You

3584
02:40:21,710 --> 02:40:19,050
Kendra have a good night yeah all right

3585
02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:21,720
yeah I'm serious too if you look at it

3586
02:40:27,440 --> 02:40:23,760
that way there what there isn't another

3587
02:40:29,780 --> 02:40:27,450
way to look at it there just isn't but

3588
02:40:32,690 --> 02:40:29,790
there's just there's just no way you

3589
02:40:34,430 --> 02:40:32,700
think our dogs and cats understand when

3590
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:34,440
we're changing the channel on the TV

3591
02:40:37,969 --> 02:40:36,960
with a remote control but they know

3592
02:40:40,790 --> 02:40:37,979
what's going on

3593
02:40:44,330 --> 02:40:40,800
no it's that simple hi you're live on

3594
02:40:46,250 --> 02:40:44,340
fade to black who's calling hi this is

3595
02:40:47,809 --> 02:40:46,260
Marty from Chatsworth your biggest fan

3596
02:40:49,309 --> 02:40:47,819
can you hear me okay I

3597
02:40:55,460 --> 02:40:49,319
got to Marty but if you could take me

3598
02:40:58,250 --> 02:40:55,470
off the speaker you sound like you're on

3599
02:41:00,619 --> 02:40:58,260
the speakerphone laughter let me take

3600
02:41:03,079 --> 02:41:00,629
that right now sorry but okay

3601
02:41:07,399 --> 02:41:03,089
so what's on your mind Mario okay that's

3602
02:41:10,819 --> 02:41:07,409
fine okay now I now we can hear you okay

3603
02:41:12,079 --> 02:41:10,829
what's on Marty okay I just I just tuned

3604
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:12,089
in to the show because I was at work

3605
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:14,010
about thirty minutes ago and I heard you

3606
02:41:19,550 --> 02:41:16,970
talk mentioned the moon landing hoax

3607
02:41:22,189 --> 02:41:19,560
conspiracy much of the topic that I've

3608
02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:22,199
been interested in for no quarter about

3609
02:41:28,130 --> 02:41:25,770
three or four years right and first I

3610
02:41:30,909 --> 02:41:28,140
would say I was I was pretty convinced

3611
02:41:34,460 --> 02:41:30,919
for a while that it may have been hoaxed

3612
02:41:36,559 --> 02:41:34,470
by the Americans despite the fact that

3613
02:41:38,149 --> 02:41:36,569
it would be very difficult to do but

3614
02:41:41,119 --> 02:41:38,159
then this morning I saw some pictures

3615
02:41:44,210 --> 02:41:41,129
from the Chinese expedition that landed

3616
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:44,220
the unmanned spacecraft and a lot of the

3617
02:41:48,979 --> 02:41:46,409
photographs I saw it would be they were

3618
02:41:51,889 --> 02:41:48,989
just like the ones from the Apollo which

3619
02:41:53,329 --> 02:41:51,899
for example the the holy grail of the

3620
02:41:57,050 --> 02:41:53,339
Holy Grail of the moon landing

3621
02:41:59,179 --> 02:41:57,060
conspiracy that is a hoax is the fact

3622
02:42:00,800 --> 02:41:59,189
that there is no crater underneath the

3623
02:42:02,119 --> 02:42:00,810
moon lander from the II know from the

3624
02:42:04,040 --> 02:42:02,129
thrusters that was that was called the

3625
02:42:06,439 --> 02:42:04,050
thrusters yeah the end well I didn't see

3626
02:42:08,029 --> 02:42:06,449
one yeah I didn't see one hundred under

3627
02:42:09,949 --> 02:42:08,039
the Chinese one either and there was

3628
02:42:11,719 --> 02:42:09,959
there was no dog you didn't feel like

3629
02:42:13,639 --> 02:42:11,729
there was a lot of dust kicked up or

3630
02:42:17,479 --> 02:42:13,649
anything like that also a lot of the

3631
02:42:18,949 --> 02:42:17,489
pictures that the Chinese showed that I

3632
02:42:23,569 --> 02:42:18,959
was able to see on the Chinese pictures

3633
02:42:26,090 --> 02:42:23,579
were there was no no stars in the sky so

3634
02:42:27,710 --> 02:42:26,100
and that's also another another thing

3635
02:42:30,380 --> 02:42:27,720
that's mentioned frequently with the

3636
02:42:33,559 --> 02:42:30,390
conspiracy theorist so it's like either

3637
02:42:37,309 --> 02:42:33,569
Chinese faked it as well or maybe maybe

3638
02:42:39,260 --> 02:42:37,319
we did go eventually eventually maybe

3639
02:42:40,969 --> 02:42:39,270
you know when when Armstrong landed

3640
02:42:42,290 --> 02:42:40,979
maybe that wasn't the very first one and

3641
02:42:44,689 --> 02:42:42,300
maybe that maybe there were some

3642
02:42:46,519 --> 02:42:44,699
shenanigans played with the photography

3643
02:42:47,989 --> 02:42:46,529
because we really wanted some really

3644
02:42:51,199 --> 02:42:47,999
good photographs that we can rub it into

3645
02:42:53,239 --> 02:42:51,209
Russians face but I'm starting to think

3646
02:42:55,519 --> 02:42:53,249
that maybe we did go to the moon now

3647
02:42:57,559 --> 02:42:55,529
no I'm swaying over to the other side of

3648
02:43:00,080 --> 02:42:57,569
the argument yeah right and it's easy to

3649
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:00,090
do and and it's good too

3650
02:43:04,040 --> 02:43:01,770
change your mind because that means

3651
02:43:06,500 --> 02:43:04,050
you're learning that's all right that's

3652
02:43:11,450 --> 02:43:06,510
that's okay yeah but I had open mind

3653
02:43:14,570 --> 02:43:11,460
well Marty sure sure well let me ask you

3654
02:43:19,910 --> 02:43:14,580
that I haven't know why haven't we gone

3655
02:43:23,360 --> 02:43:19,920
back because I this is my theory because

3656
02:43:26,120 --> 02:43:23,370
it's going to the Van Allen belt is very

3657
02:43:28,880 --> 02:43:26,130
dangerous and it's very risky to the

3658
02:43:30,650 --> 02:43:28,890
health of the astronauts and they did it

3659
02:43:32,900 --> 02:43:30,660
despite the fact that there were a lot

3660
02:43:34,030 --> 02:43:32,910
of dangers to it and I'm thinking they

3661
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:34,040
just don't want to push the envelope

3662
02:43:39,860 --> 02:43:38,160
also there is no political incentive to

3663
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:39,870
do it like there was like there was in

3664
02:43:43,639 --> 02:43:41,850
the seventies I'm thinking because at

3665
02:43:46,460 --> 02:43:43,649
that time it was so important to do it

3666
02:43:48,380 --> 02:43:46,470
and to rub it into their the Communist

3667
02:43:50,780 --> 02:43:48,390
face that you know we did it we're ahead

3668
02:43:52,040 --> 02:43:50,790
of you we were 18 oh we basically we

3669
02:43:54,710 --> 02:43:52,050
wanted to show them that we're kicking

3670
02:43:56,060 --> 02:43:54,720
their butt after Sputnik and now we just

3671
02:43:58,040 --> 02:43:56,070
don't have that kind of incentive and

3672
02:44:02,540 --> 02:43:58,050
all that gridlock in the Congress that's

3673
02:44:04,070 --> 02:44:02,550
what I'm thinking or it could be or it

3674
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:04,080
could be that there's something out

3675
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:06,720
there you know there's something out

3676
02:44:10,340 --> 02:44:07,050
there

3677
02:44:12,950 --> 02:44:10,350
yeah not wanting us to go back you know

3678
02:44:15,020 --> 02:44:12,960
I mean I've seen pictures of from the

3679
02:44:16,219 --> 02:44:15,030
moat in fact I think that's what I was

3680
02:44:17,990 --> 02:44:16,229
looking at I was looking at the Chinese

3681
02:44:20,990 --> 02:44:18,000
pictures and there was a picture of

3682
02:44:22,610 --> 02:44:21,000
something watching the the the Chinese

3683
02:44:24,410 --> 02:44:22,620
Lander out there you know there may be

3684
02:44:25,969 --> 02:44:24,420
something some intelligence out there

3685
02:44:28,250 --> 02:44:25,979
that doesn't want us to go back that's

3686
02:44:33,230 --> 02:44:28,260
another possibility well you know they

3687
02:44:36,250 --> 02:44:33,240
do there's that famous recording of I

3688
02:44:39,139 --> 02:44:36,260
forget who it was on the moon saying

3689
02:44:46,090 --> 02:44:39,149
look they're on the edge of the crater

3690
02:44:50,870 --> 02:44:49,160
let's not play around here no my

3691
02:44:53,540 --> 02:44:50,880
grandmother was telling me dad when I

3692
02:44:56,060 --> 02:44:53,550
was a kid in the 70s my grandmother was

3693
02:44:58,610 --> 02:44:56,070
telling me that when she was watching it

3694
02:44:59,840 --> 02:44:58,620
she didn't say those exact words but she

3695
02:45:02,300 --> 02:44:59,850
said something to the effect that

3696
02:45:04,010 --> 02:45:02,310
somebody's here and then it was cut is

3697
02:45:05,810 --> 02:45:04,020
that the one then all times they cut the

3698
02:45:08,719 --> 02:45:05,820
they cut the feed right yeah they cut

3699
02:45:10,219 --> 02:45:08,729
the feed right so I even my grandmother

3700
02:45:12,410 --> 02:45:10,229
was - my grandmother was telling me

3701
02:45:13,400 --> 02:45:12,420
about that so yeah I know I wouldn't be

3702
02:45:13,841 --> 02:45:13,410
surprised that there's something out

3703
02:45:16,570 --> 02:45:13,851
there

3704
02:45:18,730 --> 02:45:16,580
yeah surprise me at all but the question

3705
02:45:21,730 --> 02:45:18,740
is why didn't we go back you know that's

3706
02:45:24,610 --> 02:45:21,740
that's the whole thing ya know I know

3707
02:45:26,770 --> 02:45:24,620
when we talk about the Van Alen when we

3708
02:45:28,780 --> 02:45:26,780
talk about the Van Allen radiation belt

3709
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:28,790
and you think about the spacesuits

3710
02:45:33,881 --> 02:45:30,650
though spacesuits weren't designed for

3711
02:45:35,620 --> 02:45:33,891
radiation the space capsule wasn't

3712
02:45:38,350 --> 02:45:35,630
designed for that it's just it's

3713
02:45:41,650 --> 02:45:38,360
basically you know it's super uber thin

3714
02:45:44,020 --> 02:45:41,660
and so it wasn't protecting from any

3715
02:45:47,041 --> 02:45:44,030
radiation or heat or anything else that

3716
02:45:50,470 --> 02:45:47,051
thing they had to spin it you know

3717
02:45:52,810 --> 02:45:50,480
rotated away from the Sun every couple

3718
02:45:54,280 --> 02:45:52,820
of minutes because one side would heat

3719
02:45:56,171 --> 02:45:54,290
up you know the air conditioning

3720
02:45:58,240 --> 02:45:56,181
wouldn't really bother them so they were

3721
02:46:05,440 --> 02:45:58,250
always rotating the capsule you know

3722
02:46:07,240 --> 02:46:05,450
like when you're you know a pig on a so

3723
02:46:11,190 --> 02:46:07,250
there's there's that aspect but the

3724
02:46:13,810 --> 02:46:11,200
other part is we constantly talk about

3725
02:46:16,780 --> 02:46:13,820
micrometeorites right that that are

3726
02:46:19,860 --> 02:46:16,790
flying out there in space there those

3727
02:46:23,970 --> 02:46:19,870
space capsules or the spacecraft

3728
02:46:25,511 --> 02:46:23,980
themselves those things were not

3729
02:46:28,150 --> 02:46:25,521
bulletproof

3730
02:46:31,091 --> 02:46:28,160
okay there was no protection and so now

3731
02:46:33,881 --> 02:46:31,101
we're talking about how to design these

3732
02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:33,891
spacecraft to get to Mars and to get

3733
02:46:38,291 --> 02:46:35,840
through these micro meteorites and to

3734
02:46:42,390 --> 02:46:38,301
get through the radiation and and how to

3735
02:46:47,410 --> 02:46:45,610
you know water you know a foot thick of

3736
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:47,420
water or you know different ways to

3737
02:46:51,730 --> 02:46:50,090
protect the astronauts because it's

3738
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:51,740
gonna be a long trip to Mars well let me

3739
02:46:58,450 --> 02:46:54,170
tell you something four days five days

3740
02:47:02,020 --> 02:46:58,460
six days out there exposed to radiation

3741
02:47:06,280 --> 02:47:02,030
in space and erotic right and they're

3742
02:47:13,211 --> 02:47:06,290
out there in spacesuits material dude

3743
02:47:15,640 --> 02:47:13,221
material it's material but sino I think

3744
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:15,650
they're just possibly I don't know I'm

3745
02:47:19,751 --> 02:47:17,210
saying possibly they just said you know

3746
02:47:21,580 --> 02:47:19,761
what we just got to do it and they just

3747
02:47:23,830 --> 02:47:21,590
went out there and did it despite the

3748
02:47:25,511 --> 02:47:23,840
fact that it's very dangerous I mean

3749
02:47:27,390 --> 02:47:25,521
look at the space station the space

3750
02:47:29,910 --> 02:47:27,400
stations out there every day

3751
02:47:31,650 --> 02:47:29,920
and it's and it somehow it survived the

3752
02:47:33,330 --> 02:47:31,660
older micrometeorites

3753
02:47:35,520 --> 02:47:33,340
I mean I know that's below the radiation

3754
02:47:37,650 --> 02:47:35,530
belt but it's able to deal with it

3755
02:47:40,470 --> 02:47:37,660
what's a meteorite so somehow they

3756
02:47:42,450 --> 02:47:40,480
survived that I'm thinking I don't know

3757
02:47:44,761 --> 02:47:42,460
I don't know Jimmy I'm kind of like I

3758
02:47:46,890 --> 02:47:44,771
don't know what to say I know a lot of

3759
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:46,900
Delta I know for sure they play some

3760
02:47:50,520 --> 02:47:48,160
shenanigans there were some shenanigans

3761
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:50,530
with photography there's no way in hell

3762
02:47:54,330 --> 02:47:52,720
you can take the hassle block that did

3763
02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:54,340
it half a block cameras that they were

3764
02:47:56,850 --> 02:47:54,730
using

3765
02:48:00,270 --> 02:47:56,860
we're basically off the shelf unit and

3766
02:48:01,650 --> 02:48:00,280
they were just re reef repurposed for

3767
02:48:04,530 --> 02:48:01,660
the you know they just changed few

3768
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:04,540
things that's it fire egos and that was

3769
02:48:08,820 --> 02:48:04,960
it

3770
02:48:11,640 --> 02:48:08,830
every photograph was perfect perfect I

3771
02:48:13,350 --> 02:48:11,650
know that's crazy I know I know so I'm

3772
02:48:17,370 --> 02:48:13,360
thinking some of the photographs made it

3773
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:17,380
may have been may have been staged so

3774
02:48:20,310 --> 02:48:18,250
they can have these beautiful

3775
02:48:21,480 --> 02:48:20,320
photographs and they come back they can

3776
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:21,490
show them all over the world and

3777
02:48:27,270 --> 02:48:24,010
everybody can see it possibly that's my

3778
02:48:30,180 --> 02:48:27,280
new this is how I'm thinking as of this

3779
02:48:32,490 --> 02:48:30,190
morning my newest approach to it yeah if

3780
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:32,500
you ask me about it two days ago I would

3781
02:48:38,910 --> 02:48:35,680
have told you for sure that this whole

3782
02:48:40,591 --> 02:48:38,920
thing was hoaxed but that now is when I

3783
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:40,601
looked at the Chinese photographs I mean

3784
02:48:43,890 --> 02:48:42,160
the Chinese could have hosted as well I

3785
02:48:46,440 --> 02:48:43,900
don't know because they look very

3786
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:46,450
similar the landscape looks very similar

3787
02:48:50,761 --> 02:48:48,160
the sky looks very similar there's no

3788
02:48:53,790 --> 02:48:50,771
dust around the lander there is no

3789
02:48:55,530 --> 02:48:53,800
crater underneath the thruster which you

3790
02:48:57,030 --> 02:48:55,540
know you would think if it lands and it

3791
02:48:59,130 --> 02:48:57,040
turns out that it's this powerful

3792
02:49:03,630 --> 02:48:59,140
thruster it would kick up tons and tons

3793
02:49:05,610 --> 02:49:03,640
of plumes dust but it's and yet they

3794
02:49:07,620 --> 02:49:05,620
didn't have that so it and that seems to

3795
02:49:09,270 --> 02:49:07,630
be the biggest the main argument was a

3796
02:49:12,180 --> 02:49:09,280
conspiracy moon landing conspiracy

3797
02:49:13,890 --> 02:49:12,190
theorists yeah none of the yesterday I

3798
02:49:16,830 --> 02:49:13,900
don't know Jimmy I don't know yeah none

3799
02:49:19,700 --> 02:49:16,840
of the astronauts you know came back and

3800
02:49:22,680 --> 02:49:19,710
just had some kind of catastrophic

3801
02:49:25,380 --> 02:49:22,690
cancer I know I know

3802
02:49:27,150 --> 02:49:25,390
everybody was healthy yeah everybody

3803
02:49:29,280 --> 02:49:27,160
know they didn't go out there I know I

3804
02:49:31,410 --> 02:49:29,290
know so I mean there's a little thing

3805
02:49:37,700 --> 02:49:31,420
there's a lot of arguments for and

3806
02:49:42,770 --> 02:49:40,190
man you know it's so hard for me to say

3807
02:49:45,680 --> 02:49:42,780
that you know what we didn't go it's

3808
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:45,690
hard for me to say that because I heard

3809
02:49:51,080 --> 02:49:49,200
the space race yeah yeah hurts it hurts

3810
02:49:51,530 --> 02:49:51,090
like a national pride you know it really

3811
02:49:54,290 --> 02:49:51,540
hurts

3812
02:49:56,570 --> 02:49:54,300
absolutely that I know it bug it really

3813
02:50:00,290 --> 02:49:56,580
it bothers me to say that I never wanted

3814
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:00,300
to say it my I have know what there's

3815
02:50:03,890 --> 02:50:01,530
gonna be a day one day when somebody

3816
02:50:05,180 --> 02:50:03,900
flies over your original moon landing

3817
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:05,190
and they're gonna have to show off the

3818
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:07,530
photographs there it is either we land

3819
02:50:13,180 --> 02:50:09,770
it or we didn't well I want to know why

3820
02:50:16,850 --> 02:50:13,190
we can't look at it with a telescope

3821
02:50:18,170 --> 02:50:16,860
that's there somebody tell me theory

3822
02:50:22,270 --> 02:50:18,180
that we can't do it because it's too

3823
02:50:24,680 --> 02:50:22,280
powerful or not powerful enough the

3824
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:24,690
Hubble telescope rays that is that what

3825
02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:26,010
you're referring well there's the Hubble

3826
02:50:31,580 --> 02:50:29,550
but how about my backyard you know with

3827
02:50:33,860 --> 02:50:31,590
it with a really strong telescope

3828
02:50:36,740 --> 02:50:33,870
you know the baddest telescope I can buy

3829
02:50:38,600 --> 02:50:36,750
well why why aren't we looking at

3830
02:50:42,260 --> 02:50:38,610
photographs of that that's that's all

3831
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:42,270
you know I don't I know

3832
02:50:48,620 --> 02:50:44,010
well they deliver we do have the

3833
02:50:50,210 --> 02:50:48,630
reflector the lasers are there mm-hmm

3834
02:50:52,400 --> 02:50:50,220
you know they could have been placed by

3835
02:50:56,810 --> 02:50:52,410
I find unmanned by they could replace by

3836
02:51:00,980 --> 02:50:56,820
an unmanned a wrong today I know I know

3837
02:51:03,110 --> 02:51:00,990
hey Marty we'll see you do can I say one

3838
02:51:05,960 --> 02:51:03,120
more thing yeah we're almost at the end

3839
02:51:07,730 --> 02:51:05,970
go ahead okay I'm just saying even if we

3840
02:51:09,650 --> 02:51:07,740
fly over and we see a moon lander and

3841
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:09,660
all that it's still not a proof that we

3842
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:10,800
went out there because that could have

3843
02:51:16,370 --> 02:51:12,800
been placed there by an unmanned mission

3844
02:51:18,200 --> 02:51:16,380
just for the for the posterity for other

3845
02:51:19,700 --> 02:51:18,210
people to see so we'll never really know

3846
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:19,710
I don't know I know

3847
02:51:25,430 --> 02:51:23,010
I like tells me that we went there a

3848
02:51:27,860 --> 02:51:25,440
little bit I had my doubts

3849
02:51:30,440 --> 02:51:27,870
that's all I'm gonna see Marty Marty is

3850
02:51:34,340 --> 02:51:30,450
is really debating really well both

3851
02:51:35,660 --> 02:51:34,350
sides like died Marty thank you so much

3852
02:51:38,630 --> 02:51:35,670
man we'll see you tomorrow night

3853
02:51:43,070 --> 02:51:38,640
Yucko all right bye-bye great great

3854
02:51:47,900 --> 02:51:43,080
conversation right there yeah you know

3855
02:51:50,450 --> 02:51:47,910
I'm just saying I have issues with not

3856
02:51:51,439 --> 02:51:50,460
being able to we have telescopes that

3857
02:51:54,859 --> 02:51:51,449
can look all over

3858
02:51:57,279 --> 02:51:54,869
the place right but our own moon we

3859
02:52:00,829 --> 02:51:57,289
don't have anything powerful enough

3860
02:52:03,199 --> 02:52:00,839
optical not digital optical that we can

3861
02:52:04,969 --> 02:52:03,209
just go and see hey check it out there's

3862
02:52:08,119 --> 02:52:04,979
you know there's the lunar lander

3863
02:52:10,670 --> 02:52:08,129
there's the rover there's tracks now I

3864
02:52:12,829 --> 02:52:10,680
understand that the Chinese flew flew

3865
02:52:15,649 --> 02:52:12,839
around and mapped and and and

3866
02:52:18,139 --> 02:52:15,659
photographed the Apollo of the Apollo

3867
02:52:24,409 --> 02:52:18,149
sites I get that okay I'm talking about

3868
02:52:26,479 --> 02:52:24,419
for me not the Chinese me why can't I go

3869
02:52:28,340 --> 02:52:26,489
and look at you know one of the

3870
02:52:31,429 --> 02:52:28,350
observatories with one of these crazy

3871
02:52:34,459 --> 02:52:31,439
telescopes that can photographed star

3872
02:52:36,590 --> 02:52:34,469
systems pointing I don't want to hear

3873
02:52:38,539 --> 02:52:36,600
this will it's one pixel and it's this

3874
02:52:40,579 --> 02:52:38,549
and a you know it's only one pixel per

3875
02:52:44,329 --> 02:52:40,589
meter and therefore the resolution I you

3876
02:52:47,029 --> 02:52:44,339
know what no no no no no no no optical

3877
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:47,039
look through with with one of those

3878
02:52:52,939 --> 02:52:50,810
big-ass telescopes in Hawaii or Chile or

3879
02:52:56,170 --> 02:52:52,949
here in the United States you know and

3880
02:53:00,079 --> 02:52:56,180
just just go and and take a snapshot of

3881
02:53:02,840 --> 02:53:00,089
the moon of the footprints why can't we

3882
02:53:05,389 --> 02:53:02,850
see that that's all that I'm saying all

3883
02:53:07,039 --> 02:53:05,399
right now I wanted to hit you with this

3884
02:53:09,380 --> 02:53:07,049
because we talked about this during the

3885
02:53:13,249 --> 02:53:09,390
show and I did post the pictures up in

3886
02:53:16,189 --> 02:53:13,259
Twitter of this crazy chariot in Turkey

3887
02:53:18,649 --> 02:53:16,199
okay archaeologists say they discovered

3888
02:53:21,859 --> 02:53:18,659
the five thousand-year-old toy chariot

3889
02:53:24,319 --> 02:53:21,869
and a rattle while digging in Turkey and

3890
02:53:27,019 --> 02:53:24,329
it gives this fascinating glimpse of

3891
02:53:28,670 --> 02:53:27,029
what children of the Bronze Age were

3892
02:53:31,189 --> 02:53:28,680
playing with and it's a part of the

3893
02:53:35,719 --> 02:53:31,199
ongoing excavations in the ancient city

3894
02:53:37,729 --> 02:53:35,729
of Sag Matar in the south east of Turkey

3895
02:53:40,219 --> 02:53:37,739
some of the oldest settlements in the

3896
02:53:44,420 --> 02:53:40,229
world sag Matar is also believed to be

3897
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:44,430
where Moses fled in biblical times after

3898
02:53:51,079 --> 02:53:47,520
escaping Egypt the digs began in the

3899
02:53:54,019 --> 02:53:51,089
area in May 2017 and have uncovered

3900
02:53:57,010 --> 02:53:54,029
several tombs including this one with

3901
02:54:00,079 --> 02:53:57,020
the toys all right this will conclude

3902
02:54:02,420 --> 02:54:00,089
another episode of fade to black

3903
02:54:04,609 --> 02:54:02,430
I do want to thank Josh gates

3904
02:54:04,939 --> 02:54:04,619
fascinating conversation tonight and we

3905
02:54:08,599 --> 02:54:04,949
will

3906
02:54:11,599 --> 02:54:08,609
things with Josh on Saturday all right

3907
02:54:15,170 --> 02:54:11,609
tomorrow night on the show are you ready

3908
02:54:16,969 --> 02:54:15,180
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3909
02:54:20,300 --> 02:54:16,979
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3910
02:54:20,869 --> 02:54:20,310
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3916
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3917
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3920
02:54:46,729 --> 02:54:43,949
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3930
02:55:10,219 --> 02:55:06,499
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3931
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3932
02:55:15,180 --> 02:55:11,129
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